This is a beta, amirite?

[Dangerusty]

So the beta has been out now for 9 days. I personally have played a decent amount (about 30 matches in 2v2) and have lost my fair share.

Yesterday I hopped on and found myself paired with a lot of elitist players. People who felt the need to tell me how to play, tell me I lost the game for them and were overall very unpleasant to play with. The one person I played with yesterday who wasn't like this actually helped me a lot. He offered suggestions on things I could do differently, build orders, and told me to watch some vids of higher top players to help my game.

As this game matures (as it seems to be doing very quickly), I'm just hoping that all of the beta participants take the time to help the people out who don't have the time to dedicate to play 100 matches a week. I see some of the top players are over 400-500 games.

In the end we're all here to play the game and help bliz make it better. In order to do that, help the rest of the 3,000 people get better too.

[Sunshine]

Word.

[Petey]

It is too bad that people offended you, but I wouldn't expect people to just help you out. You have the same opportunity to get better that everyone else in the beta does... Read forums, like this one, teamliquid, check sites like sc2armory.com, and play games. Watch your own replays, watch people that beat you, watch games you won. Try different things, and understand what worked and didnt, and why it didnt work.

[Leviathon]

I tend to not say anything...unless I am doing a 2v2 and am allied with a Zerg and he doesn't make a Queen until I say something 5 minutes later (or they make 4 hatcheries still with no queen and have no army when the other 2 proceed to rush me). Then I never understand the people who do 2v2 random and decide they don't want to talk, hey Mr. Silent, if you're doing a 2v2 you should be talking with your team mate not playing like you're doing a 1v1.

[Totz]

oh man i hate nerds

[Bibdy]

oh man i hate nerds

But we like you :(

[Idkanything]

So the beta has been out now for 9 days. I personally have played a decent amount (about 30 matches in 2v2) and have lost my fair share.

Yesterday I hopped on and found myself paired with a lot of elitist players. People who felt the need to tell me how to play, tell me I lost the game for them and were overall very unpleasant to play with. The one person I played with yesterday who wasn't like this actually helped me a lot. He offered suggestions on things I could do differently, build orders, and told me to watch some vids of higher top players to help my game.

As this game matures (as it seems to be doing very quickly), I'm just hoping that all of the beta participants take the time to help the people out who don't have the time to dedicate to play 100 matches a week. I see some of the top players are over 400-500 games.

In the end we're all here to play the game and help bliz make it better. In order to do that, help the rest of the 3,000 people get better too.

Sadly what you have to realize is that people are overly-proud of their abilities regardless of the venue. In this case the venue is a game - and people who kept up with SC1 are proud of that fact and think they are entitled because of it.

its sad - I see it a lot too. Honestly? just let it roll off - ask for help and you'll often get it, and at the beginning of fight point out "hey i'm not that great so let me know what you want me to go for to help you out" you may learn quite a bit that way and end up with some pretty good and viable 2v2's games. This could also result in people whining and complaining at you - and when this happens I apologize lol

[Petey]

more than likely, if you are that far behind the general level of play, you will lose enough to move into a bracket of like-skilled players, and the ladder would have done its job.. obviously with the beta in its current state, the quantity of players is smaller, and with fewer people you have a smaller chance of queueing at the same time with very similar skilled players, and then get better that way..

[Totz]

rofl....

Just because some people are better then others that makes them nerds?

lol...

nerds have 300 games played and expect others to be at the same level, go grocery shopping or something, seriously.

[Dangerusty]

Thanks for all the constructive feedback. In the end the good and bad feedback has really made me want to get better. I'm still flustered at those who get on my case if I'm not playing exactly the way they want me to, but in the end I've really tried to learn from each game and my mistakes.

For the most part I'd say that my experience has been overly positive. Unfortunately the negatives outweigh those positive experiences in most cases. Yesterday I hopped on a few games that were really fun. The people I played with responded to my casual discussion about plans, attacks, etc... and weren't overly critical in areas where I knew I fell short.

Pretty sure it's luck of the draw, but I must have hit a slew of less-than-patient people the other day which resulted in this thread...

[Tiamazzo]

Got teamed with some guy in RT 2v2, and the first thing he said was "You better not suck". So i said "I don't' and left the game.

[Orion]

Got teamed with some guy in RT 2v2, and the first thing he said was "You better not suck". So i said "I don't' and left the game.

^ haha I liked this, good work.



I've never understood why so many people online decide it is their duty to be complete assholes... is their self esteem in real life really that low they need to make up for it but putting down others via pixels? At least thats what it says about you.

[Chung]

WoW has the most vitriolic, angst-filled community ever and this game is going to inherit a big part of that community so this is a problem that is only going to get worse. All I can offer is the judicious but still liberal exercise of the squelch command.

[Rilgon]

Watch your own replays, watch people that beat you, watch games you won.This is the biggest thing I can stress. If it's a mirror match (ZvZ, TvT, PvP), watch them closely and figure out why they beat you. If you lost to some sort of cheese, figure out how they did it and where they did it, and scout there in the future.

Watching replays is one of the biggest things that's helped me get better.

[Vox]

Your problem is that you are doing random 2v2. Get a partner that is roughly your same skill level and you are set.

[Moorehouse]

Your problem is that you are doing random 2v2. Get a partner that is roughly your same skill level and you are set.

Or that is better than you, that works too ;)

[Dalcyon]

So the beta has been out now for 9 days. I personally have played a decent amount (about 30 matches in 2v2) and have lost my fair share.

Yesterday I hopped on and found myself paired with a lot of elitist players. People who felt the need to tell me how to play, tell me I lost the game for them and were overall very unpleasant to play with. The one person I played with yesterday who wasn't like this actually helped me a lot. He offered suggestions on things I could do differently, build orders, and told me to watch some vids of higher top players to help my game.

As this game matures (as it seems to be doing very quickly), I'm just hoping that all of the beta participants take the time to help the people out who don't have the time to dedicate to play 100 matches a week. I see some of the top players are over 400-500 games.

In the end we're all here to play the game and help bliz make it better. In order to do that, help the rest of the 3,000 people get better too.

The thing is this game is played by both casuals(not so skilled) and hardcore(skilled) players. You have no obligation to them be this ultimate player that can win almost every game. People have to understand that it's a random matchup. If they are so concerned about their rating, then they should friend skilled players, party invite them and start games that way. Don't worry about them giving you a hard time. It's your game too.

[Endureth]

hardcore =/= skilled

[Baughj]

I dont mind bad players.

I mind players who 1) dont communicate, 2) dont listen and 3) dont try to win. Generally, those players are bad.

It starts off with:
me-"hi whats the plan?"
me-"you there?"
me-"ok well im going ______"
me-"if you go ___ we'll have a strong army"
me-"oh god you went mass hellions. DAMNIT"

Notice how they did not say ANYTHING? They were bad. They didn't talk. They didn't listen. They basically ruined the game for me.

Edit: forgot to say, they'll probably call me a jerk for that last statements, forgetting about all my efforts to have a solid, fun, successful game.

[aaron]

I've found the worst community to have been diablo 2. WoW definitely has downsides as well, but also some helpful people as well.

[Dalcyon]

hardcore =/= skilled

I won't consider someone hardcore if they're not skilled. Would you? I mean if someone plays multiplayer Beta more than 10 hours a day but they're still in the copper league would u call them hardcore? I certainly would not.

[Inoob]

if they have a brother who also plays on their account, gets them losses, and considering the matching system is currently more or less open and not tuned, so we can find faster games....

what if the copper guy just won 20 games straight against plat people ?

right now it doesnt matter where you are on the scale of things.

[Mut]

Got teamed with some guy in RT 2v2, and the first thing he said was "You better not suck". So i said "I don't' and left the game.

this is absolutely great. Who doesn't go into r2v2 with the full expectation that allies and opponents are not created equal? Sometimes you are going to get someone who isn't well versed in all the nuances of the game, and is inevitably going to cost you a game here and there. Deal with it.

[Soli]

It's a sad fact of competitive games on the internet that many, many people are not mature enough to handle it like adults. If the highlight of their life is feeling superior to me in an online video game I play entirely for fun, let alone the *early beta* of such a game, well, I figure I can grin and bear for the length of the match with the knowledge that theirs is a sad, pathetic life overall.

I'm a very competitive guy and I can get annoyed by teammates who don't listen, but bitching someone out for it - or being an elitist douche making fun of someone you're beating - doesn't enhance *my* enjoyment of games one bit. I wouldn't keep going to a party if most of the people there walked around throwing their drinks in other people's faces and cursing them out for no apparent reason.

[Joey]

The first day on this game, I had no clue what I was doing, I was playing placement matches with goods and bads like myself alike.


Needless to say, I found asking a question here and there that your partner can answer seems to be the key to success, plus if you are new like I am, you might learn something.



For example:

On my first game ever I asked my partner on how many units to a crystal and a gas extractor, they gave me the answer, I massed M&M from 3 racks and 3 starports, we won the game. Woohoo.

[Clutch]

Got teamed with some guy in RT 2v2, and the first thing he said was "You better not suck". So i said "I don't' and left the game.
Awesome

[Dirkydu]

My race is always "Random."
I always attempt every lame, hair-brained, idiotic cheese filled tactic that flits through my head during a given match.
If someone tries a unique and/or sketchy (usually high-risk) tactic on me the first thing I do is mimic it over and over until someone better than me shows me how to beat it, first hand.
If you nerdrage at me for any of the above nonsense I will nerdrage back, harder, and I guarantee I'm the only one of us enjoying it.
My ability goes up with each piece of advice you give me. (If you suggest something, I'll do it).
It also goes down, exponentially, with each criticism. (If you rage at me, I swear to God I'm going Hellions).

This is beta and I am bad and will continue to be bad and probably get worse until I am better than you when it actually matters.

[Endureth]

Got teamed with some guy in RT 2v2, and the first thing he said was "You better not suck". So i said "I don't' and left the game.

lol, I do the same thing.

[Oink]

oh man i hate nerds

I do too, but I guess if I didn't have a job I would be playing all day and night too! I wish I could...

[Krazytrumpet]

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!11!!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!

But yeah, if this is the first time you've run into this in internet gaming...wtf games were you playing before? It sucks, but it's just something that has to be dealt with.

[Kootness]

Got teamed with some guy in RT 2v2, and the first thing he said was "You better not suck". So i said "I don't' and left the game.

+1

[Apollo]

urrite! It's the beta, it isn't about winning or losing. It's about testing the game. Yes, you have an opportunity to get better at the game, getting in practice that others won't have before the game goes live. But I really don't get why so many people are obsessed with their W/L or rank right now. You aren't going to get to keep it anyway...People who get pissed off because they lose a 2v2 because they think their partner isn't good enough need to grow up and remember what we're here to do....and it isn't to be #1 platinum....

[Krazytrumpet]

Yeah, I'm here to be #1 in teh WORLD, not just US plat.

[Baked]

look at it from the other guys perspective, 3 people on the map know how to at least get units and your stuck with the guy that has nothing.