Bnet 2.0 is a FAILURE

[Essentia]

-no chat channels

-latency sucks

-horribly ridiculous chat filter (i know u can turn it off, but still)

-divisional ladder system is crap and makes no sense

-WTF is up with the alias naming thing... why do we have to have <name>.<name> plz just make single name

-WTF is this REAL ID crap? Give my email out or whatever, broadcast my name?

-no lan, have to go through Bnet 2.0

-have to log onto Bnet 2.0 to watch replays? I mean, i get d/c sometimes while watching a replay!


feel free to add your own

[Divine]

someone missed the twitter chat..

who didn't give him the memo >_>

here you go..

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23767157319&sid=3000

Q. Hi. So many people are complaining about this on the forum... is it true that there will be no chat channels? I hope not!

A. We do have plans for chat channels. Specifically, we want to organize chat channels around users' interests so you know what types of conversations you are going to get into when you join a channel. This feature is not something that will be in for beta. Currently we plan to do this feature in a patch after the game launches.


more just in case..


Q. Are there any plans to try to fine-tune or reduce the innate built-in latency for StarCraft II over Battle.net 2.0?

A. We will definitely be experimenting with this over the weeks ahead. We want to make sure the playing field is balanced for all participants as far as "best connection latency." At the same time, internet connectivity and latency has definitely improved over the years and our current 250ms expected latency may be too high.

Oh and name system's fine..

ummm Are you broadcasting your email? 'cause you shouldn't do that.. unless it's your friend... >_>

why are you broadcasting your real id?

oh and you need to give your real ID if you wanna talk to ppl on different game... how else would you add someone in wow? Divine.justice - Starcraft 2 add? and then like Emolazer.Eonar - WoW US Add??? it seems really complicated and more easier to add your friends through b.net acnt

[Minos]

obvious troll is obvious.

[Divine]

obvious troll is obvious.

wait I got trolled? nooooo

[Crimson]

obvious troll is obvious.

i dont think its a troll i think its someone who is upset at the new bnet and wants to point out why and wants others to comment.

not every post about someone not liking the game is a troll post.

"
1a. Noun
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

1b. Noun
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

1c. Noun
A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned. "

i dont see him doing any of those so its not an obvious trolling, he is just stating his feelings on a beta in a forum about feedback on that beta.

to reply to OP

yes no chat = i will NOT buy the game. and no this oh we will patch them in later is not going to work for me sorry. And if the chat are going to undergo some change like they said in the twitter i think they REALLY need to beta test those changes.

[Rks]

Should Blizzard make a Official QQ tread, every unsatisfied things can be posted there. So people stop make the same old QQ topic again and again

[Buildmoar]

oh and you need to give your real ID if you wanna talk to ppl on different game... how else would you add someone in wow? Divine.justice - Starcraft 2 add? and then like Emolazer.Eonar - WoW US Add??? it seems really complicated and more easier to add your friends through b.net acnt

easy. with decent account controls. ie: people on my wow/sc2/diablo/whatever friends lists/guild/etc can see me on these characters in these games. it's not really hard. cross game communication limited to realID people doesn't really make sense. I already have a real life friends list. it's my phone.

[Zaq]

Should Blizzard make a Official QQ tread, every unsatisfied things can be posted there. So people stop make the same old QQ topic again and again

Yeah bnet2.0 sucks but everybody should just be happy about it and not complain and just buy the game and be happy with it sucking.

[BeL]

The whole point of this beta is to hear our opinions. Yes there will be chat channels of some sort. It was confirmed on the twitter chat.

That being said, I agree. From what I've seen so far, it's a complete let-down. I hope to GOD that there is a gigantic improvement in the custom game interface. This has been the most glaring problem with war3.

[Zaq]

Bnet 2.0 is at best underwhelming and more accurately is completely terrible.

[Anon]

I think only problems atm...

-No middleground friend list for WoW available yet,some people don't want to use real ID for WoW.
-Chat rooms will be available in a patch AFTER release?Isn't this something that should at least be available on release day? Sure Beta Testers probably don't need something so basic since we know they work...but the consumers will.

It's reassuring that chat rooms will be added,but the time frame seems destined to cause problems down the road.

That being said, I agree. From what I've seen so far, it's a complete let-down. I hope to GOD that there is a gigantic improvement in the custom game interface. This has been the most glaring problem with war3.


Specifics? sig

war3 i don't recall having a bad custom game interface.Most problems in comparison to scII (in terms of b.net) were just cause war3 is older then scII.

[Nevermore]

-no chat channels

-latency sucks

-horribly ridiculous chat filter (i know u can turn it off, but still)

-divisional ladder system is crap and makes no sense

-WTF is up with the alias naming thing... why do we have to have <name>.<name> plz just make single name

-WTF is this REAL ID crap? Give my email out or whatever, broadcast my name?

-no lan, have to go through Bnet 2.0

-have to log onto Bnet 2.0 to watch replays? I mean, i get d/c sometimes while watching a replay!


feel free to add your own

Best response to all of this: Beta
-Chat Channels will be coming back in some form or another after release
-Everyone is currently on one server and are very spread out, causing slightly higher latency. I never get any serious latency, and most people don't. It is just the occasional person who probably have problems of their own.
-Turn off the chat filter? You said it yourself... why would this bug you? I agree its stupid, but it doesnt affect me, so...
-The ladder system is currently not functioning. This is intended. Blizzard has stated this, and it is written on the front page. People need to stop complaining about this. The divisions make total sense as I understand it. There are many things I don't understand yet, but I am sure they will all become clear in time.
-The .identifier thing is great, because it allows many people to have the same name. This makes it more likely to get the name you want, and less likely that it has already been taken. The only thing I dislike is that the .identifier is difficult to dig up sometimes.
-RealID? Seriously? You are complaining about this? Do your real life friends know your real name, or do they know you by Essentia? Doesn't really matter, because you can choose not to use it. I know I will put my brother and best friends on it so I can see whatever game they are on, and chat between games. I understand some people have no real life friends, and those people don't need to use RealID.
-If you play with someone right nearby you, the latency is minimal, and they are working on a Battle.net LAN system that will be out at or shortly after release.
-You get disconnected watching replays? Why does that bug you? Load it up again, and be glad that it wasn't during a ladder game.

[Buildmoar]

also, the lack of an offline mode for single player is disturbing at the least. hostile to the customer at worst. Broodwar/Diablo on my laptop made various road trips bearable, having to find a internet connection away from home to play single player games is counter intuitive. Not to mention I don't want to be locked out of D3 or SC2 because of tuesday maintenance.

I really don't want to install pirate copies alongside my retail ones, but it's looking like that might be the best solution.

[Anon]

also, the lack of an offline mode for single player is disturbing at the least. hostile to the customer at worst. Broodwar/Diablo on my laptop made various road trips bearable, having to find a internet connection away from home to play single player games is counter intuitive. Not to mention I don't want to be locked out of D3 or SC2 because of tuesday maintenance.

I really don't want to install pirate copies alongside my retail ones, but it's looking like that might be the best solution.

Huh...this is a point that needs to be addressed

What exactly DOES happen on tuesday maintenance for these games?are they really locked out completely?

[Aorin]

also, the lack of an offline mode for single player is disturbing at the least. hostile to the customer at worst. Broodwar/Diablo on my laptop made various road trips bearable, having to find a internet connection away from home to play single player games is counter intuitive. Not to mention I don't want to be locked out of D3 or SC2 because of tuesday maintenance.

I really don't want to install pirate copies alongside my retail ones, but it's looking like that might be the best solution.

This was also addressed in the chat linked above:

Q. Is logging in to Battle.net version 2.0 mandatory even for Single-Player Games?

A. Yes. StarCraft II does require an online connection and you must login the first time you play. We are in the middle of adding an "Offline" feature which allows you to play the Campaign offline if you, for example, are traveling and want to play on a laptop. Playing while connected allows your progress in the campaign to be saved online to your account. This means if you switch to a different computer to play you can pick up from where you were.

[Essentia]

Also, say you are playing campaign mode, and halfway through a LONG mission your internet goes down. Will you be d/c from single player mode and you mission progress not saved? Hopefully there will be an auto save or something.

[Buildmoar]

This was also addressed in the chat linked above:



I wonder, does that mean, every time you start sc2 you have to login, or just once after you install.

[Crimson]

also, the lack of an offline mode for single player is disturbing at the least. hostile to the customer at worst. Broodwar/Diablo on my laptop made various road trips bearable, having to find a internet connection away from home to play single player games is counter intuitive. Not to mention I don't want to be locked out of D3 or SC2 because of tuesday maintenance.

I really don't want to install pirate copies alongside my retail ones, but it's looking like that might be the best solution.

thats in the FAQs they release some time ago there will be an offline mode. trust me they ar enot going to do an UBISOFT

[Kat]

-no chat channels

Coming sometime in the future. Has been confirmed.

-latency sucks

If you were expecting blizzard to reinvent the internet and somehow wire the whole continent of North America with public access to fiber optics infrastructure, you're probably expecting too much.

Just to illustrate my point, please take time to realize that the cost and quality of high-speed internet are worse than many other countries, due to the fact that the cable companies have private ownership over the infrastructure, which decreases the amount of competition in the ISP business. USA isn't even in the top 10 for low cost/high quality internet access, and falls very short compared to countries like South Korea and Japan. If you want better internet, get involved in government/politics.

You're expecting far too much from Blizzard. Be realistic.

-horribly ridiculous chat filter (i know u can turn it off, but still)

You know you can turn it off? Then turn it off...

I agree that the filter needs work, so submit words that you think are being wrongfully filtered in the feedback section and move on. Until then, you can turn the filter off or deal with the extra harsh censorship.

-divisional ladder system is crap and makes no sense

You need to elaborate. What is 'crap' about it..?

As far as making sense, it makes a lot of sense actually... After 10 placement matches, you are placed in a larger group of people that are assumed to have more or less an equivalent skill level to you. Within each ladder there are smaller groups of people called divisions, which you can use to get a smaller scale sense of your progression RELATIVE to others within your skill level.

Lets pretend that SC2 sells 2 million copies, and that there were no ladders or divisions.... You would simply be rank 1,345,763 out of 2,153,864 players... And a single win, which may earn you 24 points, could bump you up a ridiculously large amount of spots, due to the fact that there could be 200 people that only have a handful of points more than you.

Having smaller divisions of 100 or so players allows you to get a general feel of your progress relative to a small sample group of other players.

There is no numerical way to accurately discern the skill of a player. The system as it stands now isn't free from errors and problems, but for the vast majority of users it is fun and more meaningful than a straight up list of every single player in the game.

-WTF is up with the alias naming thing... why do we have to have <name>.<name> plz just make single name

It allows multiple users to have the same name. For instance, my SC2 name is "kat", and someone else may have that same name. I'd much rather have a system like that, then to see names like "kat142" or "1337kat78" or "fad08fnfe8fne" like you would see in the original battle.net.

-WTF is this REAL ID crap? Give my email out or whatever, broadcast my name?

You obviously don't at all understand the Real ID system. In that case, i'll just tell you to look it up and find out what it is before complaining about it. It is an optional system for specific people that you know in real life. The game does not give out your personal information to anybody. If anyone is added as a Real ID friend, it is because you chose to add them as one.

-no lan, have to go through Bnet 2.0

This is both an anti-piracy and anti-hacking measure. It is not very much different than how services like Valve's Steam functions.

What it all comes down to is this: You can still meet up with your friends in a single room and have play SC2. You can still play SC2 at LAN-parties. I have never been to a LAN-party of any type where there wasn't constant access to the internet at all times.

-have to log onto Bnet 2.0 to watch replays? I mean, i get d/c sometimes while watching a replay!

Don't use wireless and get a better internet connection. If you are disconnecting from battlenet during replays, that means that you probably are just as likely to disconnect during an online ladder match. In which case i suggest that you find a way to improve your internet connectivity before trying to play online games regularly.

[Dronmor]

I wonder, does that mean, every time you start sc2 you have to login, or just once after you install.

pretty sure the first time ever, you have to log in to set it up, then you can play single player offline, and there is gonna be an auto-save and your game files saved by blizzard so you can switch computers and start where you were

[net]

Sure atm B.Net 2.0 is not as good as Steam but give it the time to get improved.


The only thing I have to say against B.Net right now is the design...

I would like to see something much more purified... at least for the chat component.

[Rks]

Yeah bnet2.0 sucks but everybody should just be happy about it and not complain and just buy the game and be happy with it sucking.

I don't say It's superb nor something like that, just... are you getting bored by watching the same QQ whole day? I do.

Everyone know battle.net 2.0 is suck (for now), so instead of crying out loud, make more constructive thread or read new developer chat so you can follow what already being discussed.

[Gemini]

I think it would be nice to have a real ID User name :P

[Winobot]

Blizzard, chat channels and "offline mode" should be available at the release date of this game, not in a patch months (or years, like D2) later. The game itself is polished enough for release, now please spend some time getting these other key features done!

[Kralic]

Sure atm B.Net 2.0 is not as good as Steam but give it the time to get improved.


The only thing I have to say against B.Net right now is the design...

I would like to see something much more purified... at least for the chat component.

I remember when steam first came out and it was written off as garbage, it still is but not as much as it was when it was first released.

[Conscience]

name.name is there because there wont be regional servers.

previously it was conscience@eastcoast and someone on west would have conscience@westcoast. now it'll be conscience.conscience, conscience.con, conscience.hotdog, ect to infinity.

[Gemini]

Blizzard, chat channels and "offline mode" should be available at the release date of this game, not in a patch months (or years, like D2) later. The game itself is polished enough for release, now please spend some time getting these other key features done!

They are working. Networking is a huge pain.

[Veszerin]

-no chat channels

-latency sucks

-horribly ridiculous chat filter (i know u can turn it off, but still)

-divisional ladder system is crap and makes no sense

-WTF is up with the alias naming thing... why do we have to have <name>.<name> plz just make single name

-WTF is this REAL ID crap? Give my email out or whatever, broadcast my name?

-no lan, have to go through Bnet 2.0

-have to log onto Bnet 2.0 to watch replays? I mean, i get d/c sometimes while watching a replay!


feel free to add your ownwhat part of beta test do you not understand?

Also, the latency is your problem. It's not blizzard's fault your internet connection sucks.

[Crimson]

I don't say It's superb nor something like that, just... are you getting bored by watching the same QQ whole day? I do.

Everyone know battle.net 2.0 is suck (for now), so instead of crying out loud, make more constructive thread or read new developer chat so you can follow what already being discussed.

uh i'm sorry but if you dont want to read a QQ thread then guess what DONT !@#$%^& CLICK ON IT!!!!

really i hate it when people whine about whiners in a thread about whining (yes i know i'm doing it right now) but really dont want to read it then dont click on it.

[Eloderung]

Best response to all of this: Beta
-Chat Channels will be coming back in some form or another after release
-Everyone is currently on one server and are very spread out, causing slightly higher latency. I never get any serious latency, and most people don't. It is just the occasional person who probably have problems of their own.
-Turn off the chat filter? You said it yourself... why would this bug you? I agree its stupid, but it doesnt affect me, so...
-The ladder system is currently not functioning. This is intended. Blizzard has stated this, and it is written on the front page. People need to stop complaining about this. The divisions make total sense as I understand it. There are many things I don't understand yet, but I am sure they will all become clear in time.
-The .identifier thing is great, because it allows many people to have the same name. This makes it more likely to get the name you want, and less likely that it has already been taken. The only thing I dislike is that the .identifier is difficult to dig up sometimes.
-RealID? Seriously? You are complaining about this? Do your real life friends know your real name, or do they know you by Essentia? Doesn't really matter, because you can choose not to use it. I know I will put my brother and best friends on it so I can see whatever game they are on, and chat between games. I understand some people have no real life friends, and those people don't need to use RealID.
-If you play with someone right nearby you, the latency is minimal, and they are working on a Battle.net LAN system that will be out at or shortly after release.
-You get disconnected watching replays? Why does that bug you? Load it up again, and be glad that it wasn't during a ladder game.

In other words, this game has many, many, many shortfalls but blizzard shouldn't fix them because it's OMG STARCRAFT II and the name alone will sell games.

What is this, Star Wars: Galaxies?

As I remember, the "It's a beta!" line was used for that game. And Hellgate London. We're over 30% through with beta and barely anything has changed. What makes you things will magically get better at release?

The fact that chat channels are coming AFTER release is bad. They need to be there at launch or customers will leave. The latency response is good but it's up to blizzard to prove that they are serious about getting latency as low as popular.

[Gemini]

In other words, this game has many, many, many shortfalls but blizzard shouldn't fix them because it's OMG STARCRAFT II and the name alone will sell games.

What is this, Star Wars: Galaxies?

As I remember, the "It's a beta!" line was used for that game. And Hellgate London. We're over 30% through with beta and barely anything has changed. What makes you things will magically get better at release?

Because they have said several features won't be in until release. Also in the recent interview with dustin he was talking about a new patch that would include some bnet stuff.

[Rks]

uh i'm sorry but if you dont want to read a QQ thread then guess what DONT !@#$%^& CLICK ON IT!!!!

really i hate it when people whine about whiners in a thread about whining (yes i know i'm doing it right now) but really dont want to read it then dont click on it.

I do read forum everyday, so seeing same old again again, is little pissed me off.
But nevermind then, I might little overreacted. Peace

[Eloderung]

Because they have said several features won't be in until release. Also in the recent interview with dustin he was talking about a new patch that would include some bnet stuff.

Again.

What is this, Star Wars: Galaxies?

Same old argument used there, used here ad naseum.

Blizzard should stop rushing this game out the door, stop, sit down for two months, and fix the problems before release.

[Kat]

Blizzard should stop rushing this game out the door, stop, sit down for two months, and fix the problems before release.

You do realize that there isn't even a tentative release date, right?

Saying "later this year" doesn't mean anything solid. How can you say they are rushing the game when we might not even be seeing a retail product until Q4 2010 or even Q1-Q2 2011?

The reason people say this is in beta, is because it IS in beta. If you have something meaningful to say, then say it in the feedback section. Saying "battlenet 2.0" sucks is hardly an insightful piece of criticism and it does very little to improve the state of the game.

[Dreuel]

You do realize that there isn't even a tentative release date, right?

Not that it's really relevant to this discussion, but there is a *tentative* release date. They announced during a recent earnings call that SC2 would be out in the first half of 2010.

[Buildmoar]

You do realize that there isn't even a tentative release date, right?

Saying "later this year" doesn't mean anything solid. How can you say they are rushing the game when we might not even be seeing a retail product until Q4 2010 or even Q1-Q2 2011?

The reason people say this is in beta, is because it IS in beta. If you have something meaningful to say, then say it in the feedback section. Saying "battlenet 2.0" sucks is hardly an insightful piece of criticism and it does very little to improve the state of the game.

it will be out this year. they are going for 'get it out the door, patch it later'. activision is in charge. and I imagine they don't want sc2 competing against cata or anything else this holiday season, so they'll have it out during the summer lull.