View Full Version : For those that think EMP is op
Babyyak
03-18-2010, 07:25 PM
yea i outnumbered a force of stalkers/immortals with m,m,m and a ghost. got his entire army with emp hit and i still got DEMOLISHED.... so please stop crying
Nuclear
03-18-2010, 07:26 PM
yea i outnumbered a force of stalkers/immortals with m,m,m and a ghost. got his entire army with emp hit and i still got DEMOLISHED.... so please stop crying
Reason its not op is beacuse terran NEEDS it to beat toss. Period.
Thebackstab
03-18-2010, 07:27 PM
yea i outnumbered a force of stalkers/immortals with m,m,m and a ghost. got his entire army with emp hit and i still got DEMOLISHED.... so please stop crying
did u outnumber him in sheer number or in supply / cost ?
did u get massively outmicrod?
Zakaria
03-18-2010, 07:28 PM
replay or this didn't happen
Hoticehunter
03-18-2010, 07:29 PM
replay or this didn't happen
Stuff
03-18-2010, 07:30 PM
People crying about EMP now need to realize that this is a nerfed version of what was in Brood War.
Brood War EMP removed ALL shields. Not just 100 points worth.
Oh and that included buildings.
Namhcir
03-18-2010, 07:31 PM
yea i outnumbered a force of stalkers/immortals with m,m,m and a ghost. got his entire army with emp hit and i still got DEMOLISHED.... so please stop crying
well im pretty sure EMP is getting nerfed... im a rank 2 plat terran myself atm to slightly validate this...
If EMP gets nerfed, it will make terran have a ridiculously hard time vs. toss as thats all we have, however with that being said...
They said they were reworking all Terran mech because its absolute garbage and factories have become 200/100 fatass observers flying around in almost all plat games now (besides T mirror) so with those units being buffed we might not have to crutch ourselves on EMP any longer ;)
They said terran was the weakest race, that doesnt mean something cant get nerfed. They will just buildup the other parts of the race which are weak... but unfortunately thats most of the race right now, very weak...
However EMP IS OVERPOWERED~
Reason its not op is beacuse terran NEEDS it to beat toss. Period.
This.
Khosan
03-18-2010, 07:33 PM
Yea, I'm a little skeptical about how a larger force of MMM could be 'demolished' by a force of completely shieldless Stalkers and Immortals unless your opponent was the Protoss Messiah and you were a raging incompetent.
EDIT: Are you sure he didn't have Collosi in the back torching your Marines? Or Dark Templars cutting a bloody swathe through your army?
Kinaesthesia
03-18-2010, 07:34 PM
and you were a raging incompetent.
And suddenly, enlightenment.
Hoticehunter
03-18-2010, 07:35 PM
People crying about EMP now need to realize that this is a nerfed version of what was in Brood War.
Brood War EMP removed ALL shields. Not just 100 points worth.
Oh and that included buildings.
That and it was on a fairly fast flying unit. Not a slow ground unit.
Stuff
03-18-2010, 07:36 PM
That and it was on a fairly fast flying unit. Not a slow ground unit.
Same unit that also had what was arguably one of the best anti-caster abilities in the game.
RIP Irradiate Goodnight Sweet Prince :(
Khosan
03-18-2010, 07:37 PM
well im pretty sure EMP is getting nerfed... im a rank 2 plat terran myself atm to slightly validate this...
If EMP gets nerfed, it will make terran have a ridiculously hard time vs. toss as thats all we have, however with that being said...
They said they were reworking all Terran mech because its absolute garbage and factories have become 200/100 fatass observers flying around in almost all plat games now (besides T mirror) so with those units being buffed we might not have to crutch ourselves on EMP any longer ;)
They said terran was the weakest race, that doesnt mean something cant get nerfed. They will just buildup the other parts of the race which are weak... but unfortunately thats most of the race right now, very weak...
However EMP IS OVERPOWERED~
I think the most likely aspect to be nerfed is the energy drain part. Practically invalidates the existence of any casters in the AoE who haven't already cast what needed to be cast.
I'd put a bet on the energy drain being reduced to 100 or thereabouts.
Dreyo
03-18-2010, 07:38 PM
People crying about EMP now need to realize that this is a nerfed version of what was in Brood War.
Brood War EMP removed ALL shields. Not just 100 points worth.
Oh and that included buildings.
It also had a large windup and travel time, so that by the time the missile arrived the units you targeted were most likely not there anymore. Add to that the fact that science vessels, while flying and reasonably fast, were also *very* easy to destroy. Ghosts, on the other hand, are hard to individually target with things like feedback if they're bunched up with the rest of the infantry, and the EMP blast is much easier to land hits with.
Stuff
03-18-2010, 07:39 PM
It also had a large windup and travel time, so that by the time the missile arrived the units you targeted were most likely not there anymore. Add to that the fact that science vessels, while flying and reasonably fast, were also *very* easy to destroy. Ghosts, on the other hand, are hard to individually target with things like feedback if they're bunched up with the rest of the infantry, and the EMP blast is much easier to land hits with.
Uh.. no it didn't.
The projectile was thrown the instant you cast it.. and it had the same speed as a missile turret projectile.
From cast to impact was less than a quarter-second.
Baked
03-18-2010, 07:40 PM
replay or it didnt happen.
your story sounds like a story, bro.
Triangleman
03-18-2010, 07:41 PM
HEY GUYS I USED EMP AND LOST EMP IS UP
O AND I LOST TO ZERG ONCE ZERG IS OP
O AND I LOST WITH ROACHES ONE TIME ROACHES ARE FINE TRUST ME
Crisischild
03-18-2010, 07:42 PM
yea i outnumbered a force of stalkers/immortals with m,m,m and a ghost. got his entire army with emp hit and i still got DEMOLISHED.... so please stop crying
Yeah unless his army consisted of giant Zealots with Eye lasers I don't see this happening ever. Unless you're really that bad.
Happened to me once as well.
He was out of shields but he had too 4-5 immortals that completely murdered my marauders and he was able to cast the sentry shield before the emp blast.
Immortals deal 50 damage per shot to marauders so they die very fast. He had more stalkers than zealots that took care of my remaining marines pretty quickly.
Messana
03-18-2010, 07:44 PM
People crying about EMP now need to realize that this is a nerfed version of what was in Brood War.
Brood War EMP removed ALL shields. Not just 100 points worth.
Oh and that included buildings.
Oh and lets omit the small fact that it was much higher tech in Broodwar, while we're comparing the two.
*roll eyes*
I'm a protoss player primarily. I don't have a problem with EMP, except where it's at in the tech tree. It should require a factory to build the ghost academy, or it should be researched.
The fact that terran can have out a ghost emp long before it's possible to have a high templar or colossus is what's imba atm.
Idkanything
03-18-2010, 07:46 PM
well im pretty sure EMP is getting nerfed... im a rank 2 plat terran myself atm to slightly validate this...
If EMP gets nerfed, it will make terran have a ridiculously hard time vs. toss as thats all we have, however with that being said...
They said they were reworking all Terran mech because its absolute garbage and factories have become 200/100 fatass observers flying around in almost all plat games now (besides T mirror) so with those units being buffed we might not have to crutch ourselves on EMP any longer ;)
They said terran was the weakest race, that doesnt mean something cant get nerfed. They will just buildup the other parts of the race which are weak... but unfortunately thats most of the race right now, very weak...
However EMP IS OVERPOWERED~
This. Emp may be a bit too strong against toss (its an interesting balance between HT's and ghosts at present... but yeah, I'll leave that for another argument) but as the quoted post says you NEED them to fare well against GOOD toss (fare well = have a chance)
I'm mid teens in 1v1 plat and ghosts are pretty much the only thing you can do vs toss (and despite all the whining, having ghosts is NOT insta gg vs toss) , that along with some medi and vikings with your flying factory "observer" ... there is absolutely no reason to use factory units against toss (vikings >> colossi much better than tanks/thors) Once the terran "rebalance" happens ( that sounds terribly like a wow sentence there) you'll be seeing lots of new strategies popping up and quite possibly less high level ghost games. Should be interesting but for now - its all we (terran) got
EMP is fine the way it is.
IMO in the current state unless they buff mech sniper shot needs a buff (either ignore shields, double the damage while doubling the energy cost, or make it do more to casters or something), or Colossi need to get nerfed hardcore.
I'm a protoss player FYI
Decoy
03-18-2010, 07:48 PM
What really bothers me is how you really absolutely NEED to have ghosts in a TvP matchup. I'm sure there are many who will refute that statement, but I'm sure they will at least admit that beating a skilled Protoss without ghosts is a pretty difficult task.
There are some serious balance issues in the TvP matchup when a single unit is so essential like the way Ghosts are. It's just simply bad design.
Hotfuzz
03-18-2010, 07:49 PM
You mean like how I need to build robo for an observer to be able to scout the much faster tech switching zerg/terran players so I don't get owned even though I'd like to just tech straight into a templar archives.
Really I think the numbers on EMP could be left as is, but it needs to be moved up another tech level or half a level. The fact that ghosts come out EMP equipped BEFORE you can even make templars let alone after you've researched storm to make said templars even usable.
Excrement
03-18-2010, 07:50 PM
Emp is fine, at 200 gas a pop Ghosts better have something other than "snipe"
Hotfuzz
03-18-2010, 07:51 PM
I'm sorry? 200 gas? Last time I checked templars took more resources to even GET to and cost almost as much to make...and they come with..wait for it...Feedback. Spend another 200/200 to make them useful. Hell, at least ghosts have a decent attack too...templars don't even get one..oh..and theyre slow as molasses.
Also ghosts can learn cloak and drop nukes...templars stom and...make a really crappy Archon?
What I'm trying to say here is that it's not like a ghost isn't worth 200 gas. Please drop this part of the arguement as templars are just as if not more gas heavy and don't come !*@# ready.
Excrement
03-18-2010, 07:52 PM
This is all true, But Are you required to get templars againts a Terran? If I am Playing againts a Toss I have not choice but to get Ghosts. I would take making EMP Researchable to bring back my Lockdown. And what good is My factory against you?
Im sorry I forgot My factory is a good scout. Maybe some hellions if you decide to mass zealots. But then I have mauds for that.
Hotfuzz
03-18-2010, 07:53 PM
Slow your roll troll. The comparison was based on a Terran vs. Protoss state of mind. 200 gas for a unit that rocks ALL toss units/buildings with little risk/skill involved with a click and point move is a no brainer to make.
No one said that psi storm was bad or templar were bad. Jesus.
Valfor
03-18-2010, 07:54 PM
People crying about EMP now need to realize that this is a nerfed version of what was in Brood War.
Brood War EMP removed ALL shields. Not just 100 points worth.
Oh and that included buildings.
well guess what, most units have less than 100 shields, so big whoop on the battle field. Sure it does not yank 400HP from my nexus but then again i don't go charging my opponents with nexuses.
Sykomyke
03-18-2010, 07:55 PM
well im pretty sure EMP is getting nerfed... im a rank 2 plat terran myself atm to slightly validate this...
If EMP gets nerfed, it will make terran have a ridiculously hard time vs. toss as thats all we have, however with that being said...
They said they were reworking all Terran mech because its absolute garbage and factories have become 200/100 fatass observers flying around in almost all plat games now (besides T mirror) so with those units being buffed we might not have to crutch ourselves on EMP any longer ;)
They said terran was the weakest race, that doesnt mean something cant get nerfed. They will just buildup the other parts of the race which are weak... but unfortunately thats most of the race right now, very weak...
However EMP IS OVERPOWERED~
I'm kind of curious how or why terran players are using a Factory to be a "fatass observer" as you so put it. Doesn't seem cost effective, or prudent.
Sykomyke
03-18-2010, 07:56 PM
Slow your roll troll. The comparison was based on a Terran vs. Protoss state of mind. 200 gas for a unit that rocks ALL toss units/buildings with little risk/skill involved with a click and point move is a no brainer to make.
No one said that psi storm was bad or templar were bad. Jesus.
I completely agree with you Fuzz. I know exactly what you are referring to. The fact that ghosts come out the gate with at least a decent attack against light infantry (or light aircraft). Can drop nukes, shoot stuff, emp stuff (with research). He is the Private Hudson of the Terran! :)
And the fact that HT only come out the door with feedback (which is only useful against units with energy. For terran this is really only effective against Ravens and BC's both of which own HT. And protoss have very limited tech strategies (like you said.).
P.S. I reported the troll for ya. Don't need those hot headed people on the forums. A week ban will cool their hot fingers.
Bibdy
03-18-2010, 07:57 PM
People crying about EMP now need to realize that this is a nerfed version of what was in Brood War.
Brood War EMP removed ALL shields. Not just 100 points worth.
Oh and that included buildings.
Yeah, the Broodwar version revealed cloaked units, was available in T1.5/2 without research and could be fired from a cloaked unit, too, right?
Excrement
03-18-2010, 07:58 PM
I'm kind of curious how or why terran players are using a Factory to be a "fatass observer" as you so put it. Doesn't seem cost effective, or prudent.
We have to build one for a Starport, So might as well use it for something.
I once lost an army of 24 battlecruisers against one marine at 5hp.
Buff battlecruisers. Give them 1000 HP, 10 armor, and 100 attack damage pls.
Excrement
03-18-2010, 08:00 PM
I once lost an army of 24 battlecruisers against one marine at 5hp.
Buff battlecruisers. Give them 1000 HP, 10 armor, and 100 attack damage pls.
Lol, That musta been one Stimmed Marine, Oh noes Marines OP, nerf Terran.
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