WELCOME to new Beta Testers - Advice

[Vonhenry]

First, we welcome new folks to the ladder. Will be nice to see 3500 to 4000+ (Hopefully more) online this weekend.

I have ONE piece of advice for you all though:

Please - see up there...^^^^^^ it's called "Search", and it is your friend.

I have seen about 10 posts now that are all making me trip out on flashbacks to day 2 of Beta testing 3 weeks ago!! Most are going to ignore your post or troll. So please take the time to do a little searching for
things like "chat channels" or "F2 F3 F4" or "Reapers suck nerf them".

Thanks, and again - Congrats and Welcome!

[Essentia]

my advice, dont play protoss

[Vonhenry]

my advice, dont play protoss

Pay no attention to the bitter 'toss player....nothing to see here. Enjoy ALL the races!

[Jimhorton]

Protoss is the only one I can win with.

Because I get tired of building units and they have the strongest individual ones. Also I put pylons in people's bases.

And it has paid off: Top 25, copper league.

[Joneleth]

I have ONE piece of advice for you all though:

Please - see up there...^^^^^^ it's called "Search", and it is your friend.

Thanks, and again - Congrats and Welcome!
Enjoy ALL the races!
Bump for truths. Play Random, save the environment.

[Shurimpu]

Play as Protoss because they're STILL horribly OP and pretty much easy mode. Don't play Terran unless you have brass balls or are a giant idiot (Or, like me, both).

[Namhcir]

play any race you like, toss has been getting nerfed for a reason, they were too strong... Easy to play, hard to master... toss in the hands of a skilled player is downright scary as hell

Terran is likely to get overbuffed and maybe toned down in beta... they are very fun if you have great macro

And zerg right now is extremely powerful but a very boring repetitive playstyle (you will basically be doing 1 of 2 things every single game, hopefully they rework the race) The problem with zerg is if you lose the upper hand at any point in the game, you basically seem to have lost, its very hard to recover from losing your entire army with zerg, but very hard to lose your army to start with anyway

[Epokh]

I haven't personally had any trouble playing Protoss. The only issues I could see arising are mass mutas. Anything else, I've had moderate success dealing with.

Play what you like and have fun, it's beta. Make sure to submit feedback to help improve the races that need help and keep the game balanced.

[Silver]

Play as Protoss because they're STILL horribly OP and pretty much easy mode. Don't play Terran unless you have brass balls or are a giant idiot (Or, like me, both).

... LOL.

It's not like high-level players are dominating with Terran or anything, right? There's just more Protoss because they're cool looking. Terran is by far the best army right now.

[Orlandu]

Play as Protoss because they're STILL horribly OP and pretty much easy mode. Don't play Terran unless you have brass balls or are a giant idiot (Or, like me, both).

Yes Mommaship got nerfed literally 7 times in 1 day and protoss have received only 1 buff since patch 1, which was taken away in patch 3. Horribly OP at slower build times, decreased buff times, decreased power of the most powerful unit which is now easily countered with a drone or SCV it's so weak (seriously, i only make a mommaship whenever i'm showing the game off to someone... in a non-ranked match).

New players: Just go terran, build up to 10 SCVs, get a Barracks/Depot goign at the front of your base to cause a bottle neck, build a second barracks with the expansion for 2 marines at once and just spam marines, sometime tech to get stim packs, drop ships and just M&M drop stim win.

it's what 80% of people are doing now anyway.

oh and with the new patch and 40 marines you can do weapon upgrades super fast (and armor)

[Namhcir]

... LOL.

It's not like high-level players are dominating with Terran or anything, right? There's just more Protoss because they're cool looking. Terran is by far the best army right now.

random noobs posting ftw...

I find it to be pretty highly balanced, terran ground gets pretty much blown away by any toss who doesnt suck balls, forcing banshees/ravens mixed in its not as easy as you would think.. im not saying either side is op, just that i think its far closer to being balanced..

and we will keep seeing minor changes to get the very small +/- balances fixed up... All 3 races are strong

[Thanners]

Pay no attention to the bitter 'toss player....nothing to see here. Enjoy ALL the races!


Yes, play them all.

You are, after all, here as a beta tester, and while you are here to enjoy the game, you're also here to provide useful feedback.

[Silver]

random noobs posting ftw...

I find it to be pretty highly balanced, terran ground gets pretty much blown away by any toss who doesnt suck balls, forcing banshees/ravens mixed in its not as easy as you would think.. im not saying either side is op, just that i think its far closer to being balanced..

and we will keep seeing minor changes to get the very small +/- balances fixed up... All 3 races are strong

Terran ground gets blown away by Collossi, but only if you're foolish enough to let the Protoss player get to tier 3 while you still have a tier 1 army. That is your own damn fault, not any specific faction being OP'd. What's OP is the fact that a Terran tier 1 force is uncounterable by a Protoss tier 1 force. Protoss is forced to tech to tier 2.5/3 to deal with a tier 1 army due to slow Zealots and underwhelming Stalkers.

If you're losing with Marines and Marauders against Zealots and Stalkers, you're not kiting or microing at all.

[Namhcir]

Terran ground gets blown away by Collossi, but only if you're foolish enough to let the Protoss player get to tier 3 while you still have a tier 1 army. That is your own damn fault, not any specific faction being OP'd. What's OP is the fact that a Terran tier 1 force is uncounterable by a Protoss tier 1 force. Protoss is forced to tech to tier 2.5/3 to deal with a tier 1 army due to slow Zealots and underwhelming Stalkers.

If you're losing with Marines and Marauders against Zealots and Stalkers, you're not kiting or microing at all.

who said anything about anything? I never said toss was OP at all, and I've played toss a ton of games myself and I have no problem dealing with a marine marauder push, in fact maybe you are the one that is bad sir losing to it? Try watching pro level games (not random plat noobs) of toss vs. terran, you will never see a terran win with m&m unless the toss does something retarded... Like i myself beat a 117-23 toss, forget his name, with a proxy marine rush.. and you know why? He didn't scout at all.

If you even see it coming or think they are gonna all out infantry rush you, you can easily be prepared and stop its, its not very hard at all. Maybe you need to micro yourself? It works, you should try it.

Also chrono boosting upgrades is a huge way to stop any rush, charge zealots (even with shields lowered to 50) will decimiate any terran army, especially if heavy marauder, because marines are the only true way to kill mass zealots on the ground aside from tanks/hellions. Marauders are not as good as many people think, i find myself making less and less of them especially with all these fast immortal builds out these days (which is usually when i marine rush, and win most of the time if i catch em going for super fast immortals)

[Gamill]

Zerg are by far the weakest. No AA unit till tier 2? BS. Pretty much no counter to MM? BS. The most horrible form of scout unit? BS.

[Namhcir]

Zerg are by far the weakest. No AA unit till tier 2? BS. Pretty much no counter to MM? BS. The most horrible form of scout unit? BS.

banelings/hydras own MM just an FYI, i dont win ever with mm vs. the top zergs, i have to usually go tank/marine/very few marauders (to absorb banelings)/medivac/possibly thors if they make a few mutas as they counter them crazily

Thats usually how i have to beat zerg ;p If you get good at making hydra/banelings and using them as burrow bombs and with speed upgrades they will decimate the terran ground, same with hydras... however if they get enuf tanks/marines its very hard to beat them

[Gamill]

banelings/hydras own MM just an FYI, i dont win ever with mm vs. the top zergs, i have to usually go tank/marine/very few marauders (to absorb banelings)/medivac/possibly thors if they make a few mutas as they counter them crazily

Thats usually how i have to beat zerg ;p If you get good at making hydra/banelings and using them as burrow bombs and with speed upgrades they will decimate the terran ground, same with hydras... however if they get enuf tanks/marines its very hard to beat them



So having to micro my burrowed banelings to explode at the right time vs faceroll MM rush seems balanced right?

[Joneleth]

I just now beat a Protoss on Steppes with unupgraded MMM.

They weren't doing too bad either, had Zealots, Stalkers, Cannons, Sentries, used their Shield buffs etc.

[Namhcir]

So having to micro my burrowed banelings to explode at the right time vs faceroll MM rush seems balanced right?

yes considering if u do it right ull kill my army not to mention u have a crapload of hydras going to my base, if u lose to MM you are bad plain and simple, it does NOT work vs. good zergs for a reason. I'm sorry they balance competitive games around pros and not joes.

[Bibdy]

yes considering if u do it right ull kill my army not to mention u have a crapload of hydras going to my base, if u lose to MM you are bad plain and simple, it does NOT work vs. good zergs for a reason. I'm sorry they balance competitive games around pros and not joes.

There is not a chance in hell you've actually played a game against a good Terran player as Protoss. Sorry, but this reeks of complete and total ignorance. You NEED high tech to beat M&M. If the Terran is aggressive and doesn't let you tech, you can't fight back. Any direct confrontation between ANY assortment of Protoss Tier 1-2 units against M&M leads to total and complete defeat.

The only way to prevent that confrontation is to spam Force Fields at your ramp and/or Cannon your base to hell and back.

When you finally field multiple Collossi...WITH the 200/200 ranged upgrade, it might actually turn into a fair fight. Before then, its hopeless.

[Namhcir]

There is not a chance in hell you've actually played a game against a good Terran player as Protoss. Sorry, but this reeks of complete and total ignorance. You NEED high tech to beat M&M. If the Terran is aggressive and doesn't let you tech, you can't fight back. Any direct confrontation between ANY assortment of Protoss Tier 1-2 units against M&M leads to total and complete defeat.

The only way to prevent that confrontation is to spam Force Fields at your ramp and/or Cannon your base to hell and back.

When you finally field multiple Collossi...WITH the 200/200 ranged upgrade, it might actually turn into a fair fight. Before then, its hopeless.

another post by another bad player ;)

good thing this game isnt balanced by noobs!

[Fusion]

The game has its balance problems right now thats true.
But honestly I wouldn't say Protoss is the strongest at the moment.

Terran is a very strong contender for top race right now (IMO)
Zerg on the other hand has abit harder time. but if matched up with protoss right now its cake (zergling glitch anyone?)

my .1 cent

[Bibdy]

another post by another bad player ;)

good thing this game isnt balanced by noobs!

Yes, rank 8 2v2 RT Gold League, Rank 50ish Platinum 1v1 and AT 2v2 makes me terrible. I just have no clue what I'm talking about.

Clearly your superior intellect and posting ability has outshone me.

I'll bet you play your Terran vs Protoss games like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-t9gVgjvoo&feature=related

Sitting in your base until the Protoss gets 2 Collossi out and then wonder why your M&Ms get destroyed.

[Thebaron]

My advice: Don't post on the forums AT ALL until you've played at least 30 1v1 games.

[Namhcir]

Yes, rank 8 2v2 RT Gold League, Rank 50ish Platinum 1v1 and AT 2v2 makes me terrible. I just have no clue what I'm talking about.

Clearly your superior intellect and posting ability has outshone me.

I'll bet you play your Terran vs Protoss games like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-t9gVgjvoo&feature=related

Sitting in your base until the Protoss gets 2 Collossi out and then wonder why your M&Ms get destroyed.

oh noes rank 50 platinum, you are what a 50% player? Thought so.. rank is completely meaningless in this game as are points, because some divisions actually gain points faster than others (proven) and some divisions are even favored over others.. (i was favored over a rank 1 plat yesterday when i was only rank 8 with less points too)

Rank 50 is a joke and bad players can do that atm, rank 50 is more like rank 700 in a pool of 5000 people, congratulations, you almost dont suck as much as an average player, but still suck~

therefore your points are mute, so are most people, The game is balanced based off PROS not JOES.

I'm just trying to tell u playing against good players in customs, mmm does not work and never wins unless they get caught trying to do something dumb (like a early econ boost/late gateway) if you are doing !%@% like that and losing to an MM rush no !%@% sherlock, thats the counter.

And playing quite a few toss games in customs vs. good people, i can say its very difficult to lose vs. mmm, once they get banshees and ghosts however its a different story, but if u lose to mmm, your friggen bad dude, just bad.

[Ignorance]

It's hard to play toss right now because the race is so easily beaten by air.

[Thebaron]

There is not a chance in hell you've actually played a game against a good Terran player as Protoss. Sorry, but this reeks of complete and total ignorance. You NEED high tech to beat M&M. If the Terran is aggressive and doesn't let you tech, you can't fight back. Any direct confrontation between ANY assortment of Protoss Tier 1-2 units against M&M leads to total and complete defeat.

The only way to prevent that confrontation is to spam Force Fields at your ramp and/or Cannon your base to hell and back.

When you finally field multiple Collossi...WITH the 200/200 ranged upgrade, it might actually turn into a fair fight. Before then, its hopeless.

Sorry, but this reeks of complete and total ignorance.

Any direct confrontation between ANY assortment of Protoss Tier 1-2 units against M&M leads to total and complete defeat.

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my .1 cent

Your tenth of a cent?

[Namhcir]

The game has its balance problems right now thats true.
But honestly I wouldn't say Protoss is the strongest at the moment.

Terran is a very strong contender for top race right now (IMO)
Zerg on the other hand has abit harder time. but if matched up with protoss right now its cake (zergling glitch anyone?)

my .1 cent

for a beta this is extremely balanced, looking at their patch notes right now i would draw 3 conclusions about what blizzard thinks right now

1) terran is lacking something but they have no idea what (i feel this way playing them), so they are buffing random things to see if it can help.

2) Protoss is a very finished race and they keep tuning them down, we may see some retuning of their anti air as nothing has been addressed yet, in the future. Their problem is not early small numbers air, but late game mass air if it gets that far

3) Zerg is imo completely broken, not saying its completely overpowered and unbeatable, but that its a broken race atm and does not play very well... its a unit massing game with them and not very fun to play as or against, probably going to see some mechanical changes with this race, i would assume. I dunno this race is just excruciating to play as, its so boring and against them you basically know exactly whats going to happen every game. Scout for the spire, if i dont see it, yep baneling hydra all the way lol (as terran) or you may see roaches, but i dont see them much at all anymore like i used to, some go roaches on FE's but it usually leads to them losing if they start making roaches

[Kralic]

I have to agree on the zerg bit. It boils down to this as a Zerg player, hydras or mutas as your tech unit? I am no plat player, but I have played sc1 enough to understand the finer concepts of the game and well Zerg is very 2 dimensional in this game. ZvZ = roach wars, ZvP = mutas or hydras ZvT = hydras or mutas. Of course that is simplefied. I like ZvZ that actually dont have roaches(best mirror match ever)

[Namhcir]

I have to agree on the zerg bit. It boils down to this as a Zerg player, hydras or mutas as your tech unit? I am no plat player, but I have played sc1 enough to understand the finer concepts of the game and well Zerg is very 2 dimensional in this game. ZvZ = roach wars, ZvP = mutas or hydras ZvT = hydras or mutas. Of course that is simplefied. I like ZvZ that actually dont have roaches(best mirror match ever)

terran mirror has become quite lame too ;p

Mass the @@** out of marines while teching banshees.

its really dumb, and if the person u are against was dumb enuf to not do it and went like marauders/tanks or even hellions, u will win because of how fast ur marines get out (and costing no gas = pimp for shees ;p) and even if u cant finish it of ull have banshees by the time they can fight u off and none of their units attack air (hellions/tanks/marauders) lol.. this doesnt happen on every single map, but it does on most

[Static]

As opposed to the varied SC1 zerg midgame of OH SHALL I MUTA HARASS?

Or possibly muta harass.

BUT WAIT. I could... harass! With mutas!

Truly, the possibilities are dizzying.

[Shinosai]

As a high rated terran player I rarely beat anyone good with m&m, and lately I've been skipping medivacs completely in favor of ravens/bcs/cloaked banshees. M&M is not that good, terran air is FAR superior.

[Kralic]

terran mirror has become quite lame too ;p

Mass the @@** out of marines while teching banshees.

its really dumb, and if the person u are against was dumb enuf to not do it and went like marauders/tanks or even hellions, u will win because of how fast ur marines get out (and costing no gas = pimp for shees ;p) and even if u cant finish it of ull have banshees by the time they can fight u off and none of their units attack air (hellions/tanks/marauders) lol.. this doesnt happen on every single map, but it does on most
I like cheesing it with 2 reactor rax outside a terran base at the start. Like you said most TvT mentality is gotta tech faster than my opponent! 2 marines at first... must be a scout then 4 more show up then 8 and then it is gg.

[Shinosai]

terran mirror has become quite lame too ;p

Mass the @@** out of marines while teching banshees.

its really dumb, and if the person u are against was dumb enuf to not do it and went like marauders/tanks or even hellions, u will win because of how fast ur marines get out (and costing no gas = pimp for shees ;p) and even if u cant finish it of ull have banshees by the time they can fight u off and none of their units attack air (hellions/tanks/marauders) lol.. this doesnt happen on every single map, but it does on most

Not my experience. I mean I used to do the fast banshee tech but lately vs terran I've started rushing to vikings and ravens instead. My terran battles vs good players tend to end up as viking/marine/tank wars, not banshees.

[Bibdy]

oh noes rank 50 platinum, you are what a 50% player? Thought so.. rank is completely meaningless in this game as are points, because some divisions actually gain points faster than others (proven) and some divisions are even favored over others.. (i was favored over a rank 1 plat yesterday when i was only rank 8 with less points too)

Rank 50 is a joke and bad players can do that atm, rank 50 is more like rank 700 in a pool of 5000 people, congratulations, you almost dont suck as much as an average player, but still suck~

therefore your points are mute, so are most people, The game is balanced based off PROS not JOES.

I'm just trying to tell u playing against good players in customs, mmm does not work and never wins unless they get caught trying to do something dumb (like a early econ boost/late gateway) if you are doing !%@% like that and losing to an MM rush no !%@% sherlock, thats the counter.

And playing quite a few toss games in customs vs. good people, i can say its very difficult to lose vs. mmm, once they get banshees and ghosts however its a different story, but if u lose to mmm, your friggen bad dude, just bad.

Oh right, so when I'm just some nameless guy, I'm a noob, but when I tell you my rank, and you can go online, check up my win rate and rank for yourself, realise I'm not a bad player, all of a sudden, rank is meaningless.

Yes, you're clearly showing that you're certainly worth listening to on these forums. "I lose arguments horribly, therefore I poke fun at the guy posting, and not his argument. I win! Yay me!"

I clearly got into these ranks by Chrono Boosting Probes until 20 supply and then make a gateway. Yes. That's how people you're having an argument with play this game. Its so simple. You're doing everything 100% right, the rest of us are just noobs because we can't beat a giant cluster#%!! of ranged units combined with anti-armour units that can counter ANYTHING until Tier 3. Oh how terrible we are.

[Namhcir]

Not my experience. I mean I used to do the fast banshee tech but lately vs terran I've started rushing to vikings and ravens instead. My terran battles vs good players tend to end up as viking/marine/tank wars, not banshees.

this is an alternative to it as well, they both work, just depends whos early game is better regardless of route, u cant only get banshees, maybe its changed again i havent played much in last 2 days so it could have changed again

I find myself not doing so well with vikings tho it really changes on what they do, and yes myself i find not getting any medivacs at all lately in mirror, i find they get killed so fast -.- i usually only make em if i have an advantage to hit them from 2 sides with a drop

[Brian]

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