Zerg... so.. How do they FTL space travel?

[Optional]

I haven't played number 1/BW campaign in .. 12 years. Did they hint anything or give an explanation... or was there one in any of the novels. As it stands right now it doesn't make sense how an organic life form could travel through space at faster than light speed to reach another planetary system. It would take thousands of years, possible more, for the zerg to reach another planet out of their home solar system.

How do Toss/Terran do it for that matter? I assume their way is more conventional..

[Chang]

Sci fi.

[Zacd]

I haven't played number 1/BW campaign in .. 12 years. Did they hint anything or give an explanation... or was there one in any of the novels. As it stands right now it doesn't make sense how an organic life form could travel through space at faster than light speed to reach another planetary system. It would take thousands of years, possible more, for the zerg to reach another planet out of their home solar system.

How do Toss/Terran do it for that matter? I assume their way is more conventional..

Terran ships warp jump like in starwars or star trek, the protoss can warp using their buildings as teleports.

[Smellycheese]

Psionic wormholes seem to the be the zerg's favorite form of Space-Travel, as seen in one of the Vids in the Campaign where they Fly to Aiur.

In one of the SCII Teaser vids at Blizzcon from some year I recall Jimmy's Battlecruiser going all Enterprise on us.

Protoss have all sorts of Teleportation capabilities.

[Cellar]

nydus worms

[Conscience]

nydus worms

im going to have to agree

[Beta]

There are cutscenes to show mutalisks and many of the zerg air units are capable of interstellar travel. For FTL, I'd imagine their evolution in space accommodates for the requirement in order to allow for the continued survival of the race. Zerg evolution is legendary, but their overall knowledge in science and technology is limited. It would be like if nature gave humans the ability to evolve whatever we needed/wanted instead of having to discover it for ourselves.

There is also a mention (I believe) of shooting spores into space for ground units. I could be wrong on this though, and I'm just thinking of Starship Troopers...

[Conscience]

There are cutscenes to show mutalisks and many of the zerg air units are capable of interstellar travel. For FTL, I'd imagine their evolution in space accommodates for the requirement in order to allow for the continued survival of the race. Zerg evolution is legendary, but their overall knowledge in science and technology is limited. It would be like if nature gave humans the ability to evolve whatever we needed/wanted instead of having to discover it for ourselves.

There is also a mention (I believe) of shooting spores into space for ground units. I could be wrong on this though, and I'm just thinking of Starship Troopers...

starship troopers ripping off blizzard now blizzard ripping off starship troopers? sounds legit.

[Hurlaroid]

im going to have to agree

/thread.

In a more serious non serious note-
I would think its possible to create biological machinery, just because it wasnt machined in a factory doesnt mean it cant be emulated, especially if zerg have full and unyielding control of every aspect of a organisms dna. Think for a moment that if you can grow a 300 foot tall tree from a single seed, or that there are sea slugs that use photosynthesis to live, with the proper mastery of dna encoding, you could grow just about anything. Including a wormhole generating subspace creep sac.

gross.

[Beta]

In a more serious non serious note-
I would think its possible to create biological machinery, just because it wasnt machined in a factory doesnt mean it cant be emulated, especially if zerg have full and unyielding control of every aspect of a organisms dna. Think for a moment that if you can grow a 300 foot tall tree from a single seed, or that there are sea slugs that use photosynthesis to live, with the proper mastery of dna encoding, you could grow just about anything. Including a wormhole generating subspace creep sac.

gross.


You know you'd hop in that wormhole.

[magister]

starship troopers ripping off blizzard now blizzard ripping off starship troopers? sounds legit.


Except Starship Troopers didn't rip off Blizzard.

The movie came out on Nov 7, 1997. Based on book/short story going back to the 50's.

Starcraft came out on March 31, 1998.

At worst, they were developed simultaneously.

And we should be careful about accusing anyone of ripping of Blizzard. Many believe that they blatantly ripped off Dune 2 / Command and Conquer to begin with, with the Warcarft series.. and Starcraft was also clearly inspired in part by Warhammer 40k.

[Frozen]

They aquired the ability to project wormholes when the absorbed the Xel'naga

[Frozen]

Except Starship Troopers didn't rip off Blizzard.

The movie came out on Nov 7, 1997. Based on book/short story going back to the 50's.

Starcraft came out on March 31, 1998.

At worst, they were developed simultaneously.

And we should be careful about accusing anyone of ripping of Blizzard. Many believe that they blatantly ripped off Dune 2 / Command and Conquer to begin with, with the Warcarft series.. and Starcraft was also clearly inspired in part by Warhammer 40k.

Only the first idea was truely original.

[Wyndrunner]

per the Starship Troopers discussion it should be noted the movie had almost 0 to do with the book. In fact the director admitted to never reading the book because he found it boring.

The book involved insect-like aliens who built cities and had societies much closer to what humans would build.

/end rant

[Cellar]

per the Starship Troopers discussion it should be noted the movie had almost 0 to do with the book. In fact the director admitted to never reading the book because he found it boring.

The book involved insect-like aliens who built cities and had societies much closer to what humans would build.

/end rant
sounds boring

[Khalanil]

I haven't played number 1/BW campaign in .. 12 years. Did they hint anything or give an explanation... or was there one in any of the novels. As it stands right now it doesn't make sense how an organic life form could travel through space at faster than light speed to reach another planetary system. It would take thousands of years, possible more, for the zerg to reach another planet out of their home solar system.

How do Toss/Terran do it for that matter? I assume their way is more conventional..

If I remember correctly, they mention in the SC manual that the Zerg assimilate a large spacefaring race (which sounded a lot like gigantic overlords), which allowed them to develop the ability to survive in the vacuum of space.

[Optional]

Sci fi.

Sorry, i thought this was a crime drama.

If you were a sci fi fan at all you'd know attention to techno detail is half of the enjoyment in most cases

[Billymole]

In a more serious non serious note-
I would think its possible to create biological machinery, just because it wasnt machined in a factory doesnt mean it cant be emulated, especially if zerg have full and unyielding control of every aspect of a organisms dna. Think for a moment that if you can grow a 300 foot tall tree from a single seed, or that there are sea slugs that use photosynthesis to live, with the proper mastery of dna encoding, you could grow just about anything. Including a wormhole generating subspace creep sac.

gross.


Machinery is a crutch that humans use. Theoretically a biological system can do almost anything that a machine could do. Zerg FTL is wormhole based according to the lore and cutscenes from SC1, whereas Terran FTL is more warp drive based.

Really, the only two premises that need to be accepted are that wormhole based FTL exists, and that reactionless drives exist. The second is actually more important, since it is clear that the mutalisk wings are only used in atmosphere, and moreover the other Zerg flying units have no winglike appendages at all (and all are capable of interstellar travel).

Accepting these as truth, it's not that hard for a highly evolved, psionic entity to accomplish both through biological means.

[Sizro]

Terran ships warp jump like in starwars or star trek, the protoss can warp using their buildings as teleports.


Ooooooooooooooooh boy. I'm resisting the urge to whip out the uber nerd hat. FTL in Star Trek and Star Wars are completely different.

[Mnijykmirl]

I'm pretty sure Terran ships haven't been capable of FTL travel until very recently, probably from protoss technology.
For example the UED came to the Confederate/Dominion Colonies via long cold sleep.

Toss have all sorts of warp-ins- arbiter fleet recalls, warpgates, etc. Zerg have psionic wormholes originally mastered only by the overmind, but Kerrigan would have taken over that role.

[Soli]

Sizro.spunkmire - in the grand scheme of things, they're pretty close to identical - the drive technologies are different but in both cases, FTL speeds are simply represented as the ship going really really fast on a pre-plotted route. Compare this to Protoss style teleporting, or BSG 'jumping' which involves a pocket of space-time moving from A to B without crossing in between, at least in normal physical space. The biggest difference I see is that FTL speeds in Star Trek are measured with the weird Warp Speed scale, with Warp 10 (at least according to that awful episode of - Voyager was it? - where they push a shuttle to Warp 10) being infinite speed and sounding like some sort of weird psychedelic experience of oneness with the unvierse. It's not clear that ships travel at different speeds for FTL like in Star Trek - Han Solo mentioned the Millenium Falcon making the Kessel Run in "less than 12 parsecs" but parsec is a unit of length so, if the script was using this word correctly, Solo just meant he took a very efficient route to cut down on total distance traveled - IIRC the 'extended canon' explanation from books about Han's past say he took a dangerous shortcut or something.

At any rate, my point is - if we're describing in general terms different sci fi methods for FTL travel, Star Wars and Star Trek are pretty damn close. Ships need some sort of handwavium 'warp drive' that uses exotic fuels and novel physics to push conventional, straight line a-to-b type travel to FTL speeds/.

[Cottoncm]

One does not simply travel at light speed into Mordor.

[Khalanil]

Faster than Light Travel-

Everyone uses Warp Space, as described below:

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_space

[gravekeeper]

They do it the same way protoss do it, worm holes. The collective psychic energy of the swarm rips a hole in the fabric of space and makes a large, albeit temporary, wormhole. Since they're minds are relativly more frail compared to protoss, though, and they lack the technological know how to amplify the psychic energies it requires literally billions of zerg present to do so. Which for the zerg doesn't seem like a very hard number to acheivel; almost overnight.
Sadly the terran haven't developed long enough to do the same so require a form of warp drive for ftl travel, which takes hours or days or weeks to accomplish the same task which is almost instant for the zerg and toss.

[Leif]

per the Starship Troopers discussion it should be noted the movie had almost 0 to do with the book. In fact the director admitted to never reading the book because he found it boring.

The book involved insect-like aliens who built cities and had societies much closer to what humans would build.

/end rant

great book, nothing like the crappy movie :(

[Hurlaroid]

great book, nothing like the crappy movie :(

nirvana comes from loving both the book, the movie, and the hybrid cgi tv show that is both the best and worst of both worlds. also, 1999 cgi ftw.

[Billymole]

great book, nothing like the crappy movie :(

Heh, yeah. I was so disappointed that the movie had humanity as just grunts with guns, rather than the power-armored supersoldiers that bugs would happily sacrifice a thousand of their own to take one out.

[Metalmario]

I would assume they would travel space like the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k (the real game blizzard ripped off come on Space Marines look exactly like Marines, and don't even get me started on how the Eldar are like the Protoss...) Well anyway back on topic the Tyranids travel by egg's shooting threw space at speed's faster then light. And they have giant living organisms that they travel on. Think of a Giant overlord that moves faster then light.

[Billymole]

I would assume they would travel space like the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k (the real game blizzard ripped off come on Space Marines look exactly like Marines, and don't even get me started on how the Eldar are like the Protoss...) Well anyway back on topic the Tyranids travel by egg's shooting threw space at speed's faster then light. And they have giant living organisms that they travel on. Think of a Giant overlord that moves faster then light.

Everyone already knows that SC was based on 40k. In fact, pretty much the only thing they changed what that marines are NOT the galaxy's best warriors in SC. Everything else is more or less a direct port.

Not that it matters that much. There are no real original ideas anymore, everything is inspired by something that's done before. It's just how things are nowadays.

[Lendari]

It would take thousands of years, possible more, for the zerg to reach another planet out of their home solar system.

Traveling at light speed isn't all it's cracked up to be in terms of getting somewhere fast either because of time dilation. The faster you travel, the more time dilation you experience. Basically time passes faster for everything in the universe but you when traveling close to the speed of light.

The phenomena really kick in somewhere around .8-1x light speed but would be noticable at anything past say .5x light speed. Look at the graph here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

Intergalactic war is either physically impossible or would be vastly different than anything in any fiction you've ever heard of.





So attempting to put real physics behind the story is a bad idea. The time scales are always wrong.

[Nephrahim]

I wouldn't say they're identical. While Starcraft was clearly inspired and borrows VERY HEAVILY from 40k, they have a lot of differences.

In 40k, Marines are battle hardened warriors genetically mutated for years, armed with the most powerful equipment humanity can provide, and the most powerful Power armors.

In SC... Marines are a bunch of redneck convicts who get a rifle and some powered armor.

That said, if somebody told me Zerg travel though space in Hive Ships like the Nids... wouldn't surprise me.

[Nephrahim]

Traveling at light speed isn't all it's cracked up to be in terms of getting somewhere fast either because of time dilation. The faster you travel, the more time dilation you experience. Basically time passes faster for everything in the universe but you when traveling close to the speed of light.

The phenomena really kick in somewhere around .8-1x light speed but would be noticable at anything past say .5x light speed. Look at the graph here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

Intergalactic war is either physically impossible or would be vastly different than anything in any fiction you've ever heard of.





So attempting to put real physics behind the story is a bad idea. The time scales are always wrong.

While putting real physics never really works, it's worth noting that generally sci-fi avoids this by introducing concepts like wormholes and Warping space, which results in the ships actually moving considerably slower then light in space, while traveling farther due to the warping effects, so time dilation is not as much a factor.

[Dronmor]

Sizro.spunkmire - in the grand scheme of things, they're pretty close to identical - the drive technologies are different but in both cases, FTL speeds are simply represented as the ship going really really fast on a pre-plotted route. Compare this to Protoss style teleporting, or BSG 'jumping' which involves a pocket of space-time moving from A to B without crossing in between, at least in normal physical space. The biggest difference I see is that FTL speeds in Star Trek are measured with the weird Warp Speed scale, with Warp 10 (at least according to that awful episode of - Voyager was it? - where they push a shuttle to Warp 10) being infinite speed and sounding like some sort of weird psychedelic experience of oneness with the unvierse. It's not clear that ships travel at different speeds for FTL like in Star Trek - Han Solo mentioned the Millenium Falcon making the Kessel Run in "less than 12 parsecs" but parsec is a unit of length so, if the script was using this word correctly, Solo just meant he took a very efficient route to cut down on total distance traveled - IIRC the 'extended canon' explanation from books about Han's past say he took a dangerous shortcut or something.

At any rate, my point is - if we're describing in general terms different sci fi methods for FTL travel, Star Wars and Star Trek are pretty damn close. Ships need some sort of handwavium 'warp drive' that uses exotic fuels and novel physics to push conventional, straight line a-to-b type travel to FTL speeds/.

in the han solo books, it tells how while doing the kessel run to escape imperials, he not only did the run faster than anyone but somehow shorter than anyone (chewbacca believed it was an equipment malfunction)

as to how the zerg do it, i believe when they left their homeworld after eating everything, the overmind didn't just warp them (as they did to get to Aiur) but instead they flew (which took a really really long time) sending deep space scouts ahead and checking every planet on the way to see if there was anything worth assimilating on it

it also mentions in Broken Wide (where it explains how banelings came to be) that the Zerg spore cannons are able to shoot "data" in order to share with the rest of the hives (in this case "data" would be DNA and units with the strain.

as mentioned they can also create wormholes

basically the zerg have 3 different methds of space travel depending on how they want to get it done

[Nephrahim]

in the han solo books, it tells how while doing the kessel run to escape imperials, he not only did the run faster than anyone but somehow shorter than anyone (chewbacca believed it was an equipment malfunction)

As I recall, what most people seem to think is that the Kessel run takes place in the Maw, an area with many Black Holes. Beacuse of this, most ships pilot around them, staying far away, while Han took a more direct route, which resulted in less distance needing to be traveled, at the risk of his ship falling into one.

[Clomer]

Ooooooooooooooooh boy. I'm resisting the urge to whip out the uber nerd hat. FTL in Star Trek and Star Wars are completely different.
You and me both. It is interesting how many different methods of FTL travel have been drempt up for different sci-fi universes.

[Dronmor]

As I recall, what most people seem to think is that the Kessel run takes place in the Maw, an area with many Black Holes. Beacuse of this, most ships pilot around them, staying far away, while Han took a more direct route, which resulted in less distance needing to be traveled, at the risk of his ship falling into one.

the way i read it, the "kessel run" does have alot of black holes, but it sounds like Han kept to the "normal" route, i don't think he went any closer to any of the dangers just went as fast as he could

[Jollycynic]

the way i read it, the "kessel run" does have alot of black holes, but it sounds like Han kept to the "normal" route, i don't think he went any closer to any of the dangers just went as fast as he could

his "speed" or rather the power of his hyperdrive is what allowed him to make a shorter run. Gravity wells disrupt hyperdrives, and a more powerful drive can sustain its field in higher gravity influence. Having such a fast ship allowed him to skim distance off the route by plotting a course closer to the black hole cluster.

[Sizro]

Sizro.spunkmire - in the grand scheme of things, they're pretty close to identical - the drive technologies are different but in both cases, FTL speeds are simply represented as the ship going really really fast on a pre-plotted route. Compare this to Protoss style teleporting, or BSG 'jumping' which involves a pocket of space-time moving from A to B without crossing in between, at least in normal physical space. The biggest difference I see is that FTL speeds in Star Trek are measured with the weird Warp Speed scale, with Warp 10 (at least according to that awful episode of - Voyager was it? - where they push a shuttle to Warp 10) being infinite speed and sounding like some sort of weird psychedelic experience of oneness with the unvierse. It's not clear that ships travel at different speeds for FTL like in Star Trek - Han Solo mentioned the Millenium Falcon making the Kessel Run in "less than 12 parsecs" but parsec is a unit of length so, if the script was using this word correctly, Solo just meant he took a very efficient route to cut down on total distance traveled - IIRC the 'extended canon' explanation from books about Han's past say he took a dangerous shortcut or something.

At any rate, my point is - if we're describing in general terms different sci fi methods for FTL travel, Star Wars and Star Trek are pretty damn close. Ships need some sort of handwavium 'warp drive' that uses exotic fuels and novel physics to push conventional, straight line a-to-b type travel to FTL speeds/.

The only similarities between Trek and Wars is that each tech achieves it's goal by reaching it's destination faster then the speed of light. How they do it on a technical level is completely different.

Star Trek operates on the Subspace plane while Star Wars operates in the Hyperspace plane. It should be noted that Subspace also exists in the Star Wars universe but is only used for FTL communication as Hyperspace is much faster but requires dedicated Hyperdrives to enter and exit the plane. For comparison sakes, Star Wars ships can travel 120,000 light years in only a few hours or days while Star Trek ships take almost 70 years to travel even half that distance. It wasn't until the introduction of Transwarp corridors that Trek tech reached a par with Star Wars in terms of FTL technology.

The warp bubble encasing a Trek ship is in no way similar to the 'tunnels' created in Hyperspace.

[Zaphrous]

Iz magic
/thread

[Neberus]

I haven't played number 1/BW campaign in .. 12 years. Did they hint anything or give an explanation... or was there one in any of the novels. As it stands right now it doesn't make sense how an organic life form could travel through space at faster than light speed to reach another planetary system. It would take thousands of years, possible more, for the zerg to reach another planet out of their home solar system.

How do Toss/Terran do it for that matter? I assume their way is more conventional..

if i dont forget all flying zerg units can travel space, specially overlords, they where like space whales with sub space skills and psionic comunications but the overmind take them in control when they get close to the zerg home planet, and became the overlords, thas why they were dectectors, and still they are an air transport

[Pertinacious]

sounds boring

There's nothing boring about giant metal gorilla-suits with jet packs, grenades, and flame-throwers that could CRUSH YOU LIKE AN EGG. Also they get dropped from low orbit MULE style instead of using pansy shuttles.

Plus social/political commentary on the side.

All-around winner!

Iz magic
/thread

A wizard did it?

[Hoticehunter]

Ooooooooooooooooh boy. I'm resisting the urge to whip out the uber nerd hat. FTL in Star Trek and Star Wars are completely different.

Ok, their engines are different. What they call it is different. But the fact remains that they both use engines in space ships for an end result of physically moving FTL. Which is in contrast to the Protoss and Zerg who teleport and wormhole travel, respectively.

[Sizro]

Ok, their engines are different. What they call it is different. But the fact remains that they both use engines in space ships for an end result of physically moving FTL. Which is in contrast to the Protoss and Zerg who teleport and wormhole travel, respectively.

Physically moving faster then the speed of light. Nice try...

/Facepalm.

[Nephrahim]

Ok, their engines are different. What they call it is different. But the fact remains that they both use engines in space ships for an end result of physically moving FTL. Which is in contrast to the Protoss and Zerg who teleport and wormhole travel, respectively.

A wormhole is just warped Space, actually.

Teleportation is different, depending on how it's being achieved.

[Subsourian]

Seeing as I pride myself on being the Starcraft Story nerd... (Yes, we exist. We all didn't convert to WoW)

The Zerg assimilated a spacefaring race called Behemoths. These creatures can apparently survive in the void of space, serving as Zerg supercarriers. From there, the trait for surviving in deep space was passed on to Overlords, Mutalisks, and Guardians (Possibly the other Zerg units too, but those are the only ones that have appeared in space during the cinematic.) They travel by ripping a hole in space and time, which I assume is something the Overlords can do (being the psychic beacons for the Zerg).

The Terran can use warp space, but their process is unrefined. They have a short ranged, or subwarp space, and a long range. The Confederacy had to completely reinvent the process when they arrived in the sector, while the UED had it nearly perfected (which is why they were able to get to the sector so quickly). Long range requires a "cold sleep," which is just cryostasis.

Protoss do everything by warping. Play them for seven seconds and you've answered your question.

[Nephrahim]

Seeing as I pride myself on being the Starcraft Story nerd... (Yes, we exist. We all didn't convert to WoW)

The Zerg assimilated a spacefaring race called Behemoths. These creatures can apparently survive in the void of space, serving as Zerg supercarriers. From there, the trait for surviving in deep space was passed on to Overlords, Mutalisks, and Guardians (Possibly the other Zerg units too, but those are the only ones that have appeared in space during the cinematic.) They travel by ripping a hole in space and time, which I assume is something the Overlords can do (being the psychic beacons for the Zerg).

The Terran can use warp space, but their process is unrefined. They have a short ranged, or subwarp space, and a long range. The Confederacy had to completely reinvent the process when they arrived in the sector, while the UED had it nearly perfected (which is why they were able to get to the sector so quickly). Long range requires a "cold sleep," which is just cryostasis.

Protoss do everything by warping. Play them for seven seconds and you've answered your question.

High five!

Though I'm also an unabashed Warcraft Nerd.

[Subsourian]

High five!

Though I'm also an unabashed Warcraft Nerd.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I LOVED Warcraft, especially III, but after the canon @### that was Burning Crusade, I lost all interest in the backstory.

Draenei? Naruu? Really?

[Hoticehunter]

Physically moving faster then the speed of light. Nice try...

/Facepalm.


They're not teleporting. They're still moving themselves on their own power.
"Oh no, one's going under space and the other's going over space! Someone's being wrong on the internet! Must correct them with my supernerd powers!"

[revenge]

starship troopers ripping off blizzard now blizzard ripping off starship troopers? sounds legit.

starship troopers was written in 1957 I believe, and the movie was released before starcraft. starcraft was influenced by starship troopers.

[Hoticehunter]

A wormhole is just warped Space, actually.

Teleportation is different, depending on how it's being achieved.

The Protoss teleport, the Zerg wormhole.

[Sizro]

They're not teleporting. They're still moving themselves on their own power.
"Oh no, one's going under space and the other's going over space! Someone's being wrong on the internet! Must correct them with my supernerd powers!"

/Double Facepalm. Now both my hands hurt.

The issue is with the word physical. Nothing can physically go faster then light and all major sci-fi series adhere to this. They can go from A to B faster then light can go from A to B but they do so bending the rules. Physically going FTL means they're using their using propulsion systems derived from Classical Mechanics (AKA Newtonian physics) which is impossible.

Please don't counter with implied intelligence by saying "It's not impossible b/c aliens can do it". If this is you're immediate reaction, please re-read the bold statement above.

[Bellastrega]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I LOVED Warcraft, especially III, but after the canon @### that was Burning Crusade, I lost all interest in the backstory.

Draenei? Naruu? Really?

This complaint never begins to make sense.

[Yousend]

This complaint never begins to make sense.

There were clearly no Draenei in WC3!~~

[Bellastrega]

There were clearly no Draenei in WC3!~~

Haha!

Yeah, I can understand people not liking the Naaru story or the Draenei background as being Eredar. I think the complaints that Blizzard added more information and background to the Warcraft universe are simply ridiculous. The only explicit and actual violation of prior canon was the description of how the Eredar became demons. The rest? Yeah, not so much.

[Cacophony]

This has to be one of the nerdiest threads on Battle.net EVER.

And yes, the Starship Troopers book was good, the movie stunk (but Dina Meyer naked? It wasn't such a bad movie, after all), and Star Wars Hyperspace is ridiculous. Next, let's start comparing DC versus Marvel parallel universes and Hypertime.

[Kira]

They aquired the ability to project wormholes when they absorbed the Xel'naga



This


If you read the books that come with the game, original Starcraft game, there is an explaination of the story for each race. In the case of the zerg they were made by the Xel'naga meant to retain their "purity of essance" unlike the protoss who were suppose to have "purity of form" and nearly killed each other in the Aeon of Strife. Long story short the zerg grew and expanded, found the Xel'naga watching them, killed them, absorbed them, and all their knowledge including space travel and knowledge of the protoss race and the location of Auir.

[Kira]

There were clearly no Draenei in WC3!~~




Not true really. During The Frozen Thrown you meet up with Draenie while doing the Belf campaign, using Illidan and Kael'thas, blizz just decided to screw their lore all the hell with the BS group that joined the alliance.

[Subsourian]

Haha!

Yeah, I can understand people not liking the Naaru story or the Draenei background as being Eredar. I think the complaints that Blizzard added more information and background to the Warcraft universe are simply ridiculous. The only explicit and actual violation of prior canon was the description of how the Eredar became demons. The rest? Yeah, not so much.

Alright, as much as I know I'm going to get the "GO BACK TO WOW" thing, here's my complaint.

The Draenei in WCIII were a race native to Draenor (hence the freaking name) . They were wiped to near extinction by the Orcs, and only Akama and his tribe remained for the most part. But NOPE THE ENTIRE RACE SURVIVED IN SPACE SHIPS! And also, originally it was the Eredar that corrupted Sargaras, hence why they were so powerful. Then they decided the Eredar were really Draenei corrupted by Sargaras, in order to fit this new canon, and the Dreadlords corrupted Sargaras. In that case WHY ARE THEY HIS UNDERLINGS? And not even powerful lutenists, they're little above grunt footsoliders.

I just hate it when they say something was almost completely wiped out and then they decide "JUST KIDDING NOW EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM IS ONE!"

Don't get me started on Illidan either. He was one of my favorite characters, so they decide to make him generic Evil McEvilson.

[Sizro]

Not true really. During The Frozen Thrown you meet up with Draenie while doing the Belf campaign, using Illidan and Kael'thas, blizz just decided to screw their lore all the hell with the BS group that joined the alliance.

He was kidding.


/WOOSH!

[Kira]

The Zerg assimilated a spacefaring race called Behemoths. These creatures can apparently survive in the void of space, serving as Zerg supercarriers. From there, the trait for surviving in deep space was passed on to Overlords, Mutalisks, and Guardians (Possibly the other Zerg units too, but those are the only ones that have appeared in space during the cinematic.) They travel by ripping a hole in space and time, which I assume is something the Overlords can do (being the psychic beacons for the Zerg).




Not completely true. The behemoths granted them the ability to survive/fly in space, it was the absorbing of the Xel'naga that granted them the ability of FTL space travel like the Terran and Protoss currently have, otherwise they would have taken over their little section of space and never been able to go from one galaxy to the next.

[Nephrahim]

Alright, as much as I know I'm going to get the "GO BACK TO WOW" thing, here's my complaint.

The Draenei in WCIII were a race native to Draenor (hence the freaking name) . They were wiped to near extinction by the Orcs, and only Akama and his tribe remained for the most part. But NOPE THE ENTIRE RACE SURVIVED IN SPACE SHIPS! And also, originally it was the Eredar that corrupted Sargaras, hence why they were so powerful. Then they decided the Eredar were really Draenei corrupted by Sargaras, in order to fit this new canon, and the Dreadlords corrupted Sargaras. In that case WHY ARE THEY HIS UNDERLINGS? And not even powerful lutenists, they're little above grunt footsoliders.

I just hate it when they say something was almost completely wiped out and then they decide "JUST KIDDING NOW EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM IS ONE!"

Don't get me started on Illidan either. He was one of my favorite characters, so they decide to make him generic Evil McEvilson.

I read comic books, I'm used to shameless retcons.

To be fair, the Dradlords and Eredar are actually at about equal rank in the Burning Legion, it's only Archimonde and Kil'jaden who were above everybody else. The Dreadlords in WoW are still a very big deal, they never "Footsoldiers"

[Bellastrega]

This has to be one of the nerdiest threads on Battle.net EVER.

And yes, the Starship Troopers book was good, the movie stunk (but Dina Meyer naked? It wasn't such a bad movie, after all), and Star Wars Hyperspace is ridiculous. Next, let's start comparing DC versus Marvel parallel universes and Hypertime.

Oh hai there, you must be new. :)

[Bellastrega]

Alright, as much as I know I'm going to get the "GO BACK TO WOW" thing, here's my complaint.

The Draenei in WCIII were a race native to Draenor (hence the freaking name) . They were wiped to near extinction by the Orcs, and only Akama and his tribe remained for the most part. But NOPE THE ENTIRE RACE SURVIVED IN SPACE SHIPS! And also, originally it was the Eredar that corrupted Sargaras, hence why they were so powerful. Then they decided the Eredar were really Draenei corrupted by Sargaras, in order to fit this new canon, and the Dreadlords corrupted Sargaras. In that case WHY ARE THEY HIS UNDERLINGS? And not even powerful lutenists, they're little above grunt footsoliders.

I just hate it when they say something was almost completely wiped out and then they decide "JUST KIDDING NOW EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM IS ONE!"

Don't get me started on Illidan either. He was one of my favorite characters, so they decide to make him generic Evil McEvilson.

Ignoring the number of Draenei characters, the surviving Draenei weren't sitting in a fleet of ships - they had one ship, which they recaptured from Kael'thas' blood elves after said elves had captured from the Naaru.

The only actual canon that was really changed (as opposed to new information added to what we already had) was the change in how the Eredar and Sargeras hooked up. And yeah, that does bother me, but not really all that much.

I'm not arguing you have to like the decisions made, I just don't think there was much retcon here.

[Akhail]

Okay well not sure what SC book it was in but it talks about the Zerg arriving on that planet simply enough by overlords dropping in and a few drones coming out and starting to mutate into buidings...but remember theres maps where u are on space platforms which makes me wonder how zerglings and Hydralisks stay on the platform....any ideas?? But as for the zerg flying units simply enough they can fly as fast as some ships can without going into warpdrive and zooming off which pretty much means they have no problem flying through space at very high speeds without having to use oxygen or what ever they use to breath(do they even breath??????)