Rank #1 Copper League

[Audaylon]

I'm so excited.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/slmskrpk/SC22010-03-0901-20-03-22.jpg
and i just can't hide it!

What's next?
Who's Next?!
(No really, can someone please tell me what happens next?)
Now laugh at my 29 wins and 48 loses :*(.
Is there going to be a way to browse other Ladder Brackets in the future?

[Legato]

If you win enough you might be bumped up a league.

[Herpderp]

The best of the worst!

Also, while we're discussing this, can someone give me a rundown on the rankings/divisions?

Here is how I THINK it works:: There are color leagues within a division. Plat, gold, silv, bronze, copper. If you are in division 10, bronze (for example) and you beat enough people to be #1 bronze, then you beat some more, will you level up to silver? If you're #1 platinum and you beat some guys will you advance to the next division?

#1 platinum 29th division --> win some --> #100 copper of 28th division
or
#100 copper of 28th divisio --> lose some--> #1 platinum 29th division

Is this right?

[Darkness]

Yeah, keep winning it might bump you up a league or two.

Gratz, and good luck!

[Darkness]

Here is how I THINK it works:: There are color leagues within a division. Plat, gold, silv, bronze, copper. If you are in division 10, bronze (for example) and you beat enough people to be #1 bronze, then you beat some more, will you level up to silver? If you're #1 platinum and you beat some guys will you advance to the next division?


The numbers make no difference. Each numbered division has 100 players max in it and each division is the same.

There are five leagues from worst to best: Copper - Bronze - Silver - Gold - Platinum. When you're in a numbered division for one of these leagues, you stay in that number. If you win or lose a lot, you will be moved up or down a league depending on your performance.

[Dreuel]

#1 platinum 29th division --> win some --> #100 copper of 28th division
or
#100 copper of 28th divisio --> lose some--> #1 platinum 29th division

Is this right?

Not exactly -- They did say that divisions within a league were finer skill groupings than the entire league, but I think they have a ton of overlap. So, division 1 might be clearly better than division 50 on average, but maybe the middle 80% of each would be within the other's range? That's a guess on my part, based on what I've seen and what they said at Blizzcon 2009.

[Darkness]

So, division 1 might be clearly better than division 50 on average

Incorrect, they've already stated many times that the #s have no difference. After your placement games, you're simply put into a division that has open room for you.

[Wyrd]

I'm so excited.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/slmskrpk/SC22010-03-0901-20-03-22.jpg
and i just can't hide it!

What's next?
Who's Next?!
(No really, can someone please tell me what happens next?)
Now laugh at my 29 wins and 48 loses :*(.
Is there going to be a way to browse other Ladder Brackets in the future?

Grats bro. I got bumped down to copper a couple days ago and have been fighting my way to the top. Hope to see you there.

[Herpderp]

So whats the point of divisions then. Is it just to make everyone feel happy that they are in the top 100 of their league? Thats @#!*ty, it makes the league feel really tiny, like only a few hundred people play the game.

[Darkness]

So whats the point of divisions then. Is it just to make everyone feel happy that they are in the top 100 of their league? Thats @#!*ty, it makes the league feel really tiny, like only a few hundred people play the game.

It's designed to make players feel important, yes. I suppose getting a sense of satisfaction for being the top 8 of your division, striving to be #1 and it's easier to do so with a limited number of people to compete with.

Personally, i think it works fine for Copper/bronze etc. As indicated here, this fellow is quite excited to be rank #1 of his division. Though I think divisions aren't necessary for Platinum, should let all top players fight for #1.

[Dreuel]

The numbers make no difference. Each numbered division has 100 players max in it and each division is the same.

Clarifying the post I made a minute ago: In the battle.net 2.0 session at Blizzcon 2009, Rob Parto was pretty clearthat divisions were finer slices of skill than leagues. However, that does not necessarily mean that divisions within a league don't have a ton of overlap -- in fact, if they were entirely distinct rating bands, people would be jumping divisions so much that the idea of an end-season league tournament would be unrealistic.

[Dreuel]

Incorrect, they've already stated many times that the #s have no difference.

Who's stated this? Nobody from Blizzard has stated this.

Here's the discussion of it from Blizzcon 2009, where it's strongly implied that divisions are finer skill groupings than leagues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqR6G4i03D8

I'll take Rob Pardo's word over the anonymous "they" any day.

[Lagorathia]

i went from 7th in copper to 9th in bronze in 2v2 in one game. that was pretty lol.

[Dislyxec]

Who's stated this? Nobody from Blizzard has stated this.

Here's the discussion of it from Blizzcon 2009, where it's strongly implied that divisions are finer skill groupings than leagues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqR6G4i03D8

I'll take Rob Pardo's word over the anonymous "they" any day.

The relevant part from the video I transcribed here:
"For the most part you'll just sorta know yourself as a bronze player or a gold player or something like that, and you'll play within that percentage of the league. Within your league, you're ranked against 100 players of your skill level. So these, so you'll kind of be in this division. and we'll make sure that everybody in your division is close enough to your skill level where it's very very realistic that you can compete against them and win."

To me, this doesn't "strongly imply" that divisions are finer skill groupings, although I can definitely see how you can interpret it that way. If this were true, then it'd be possible, even likely, to move within the same league to a different division. If divisions are simply a number and a random group of 100 people within the same league, then there's no point in moving somebody to a different division within the same league.

Can anybody confirm moving within the same league to a different division?

I know I moved from bronze17 to gold11 recently as I've kinda figured out build orders and some hotkeys--still can't get used to hydra den being "v,h" as opposed to "b,d"

[Horizon]

The relevant part from the video I transcribed here:
"For the most part you'll just sorta know yourself as a bronze player or a gold player or something like that, and you'll play within that percentage of the league. Within your league, you're ranked against 100 players of your skill level. So these, so you'll kind of be in this division. and we'll make sure that everybody in your division is close enough to your skill level where it's very very realistic that you can compete against them and win."

To me, this doesn't "strongly imply" that divisions are finer skill groupings, although I can definitely see how you can interpret it that way. If this were true, then it'd be possible, even likely, to move within the same league to a different division. If divisions are simply a number and a random group of 100 people within the same league, then there's no point in moving somebody to a different division within the same league.

Can anybody confirm moving within the same league to a different division?

I know I moved from bronze17 to gold11 recently as I've kinda figured out build orders and some hotkeys--still can't get used to hydra den being "v,h" as opposed to "b,d"
That information is outdated and clearly not true anymore. It even said you only play with people within your league, which is clearly false.

Divisions are randomly assigned, and on average should all be about the same, within a league. I've never heard of anyone changing division within a league.

[Fielding]

I have to say I'm pretty confused about how these rankings work. I was hovering around rank #30 in a Bronze division, pretty sure I was in the top half of players in that division. And then I WON a game and got a message that I had been dropped to a Copper division.

Okay, was a little confusing...I thought it might have been because I had a lousy win/loss ratio. But most of my losses were from when I was just starting out. So then I breezed through 5-6 copper matches until I was #2 in the division and being matched consistently against Favored opponents (I don't even know if they were from Copper?)

I don't get it. I don't understand the original reason why I was dropped. It's fun winning more games, but I felt like I was breaking even in Bronze around the time I got booted. I'm a noob compared to a lot of people who played the original SC, but not compared to a lot of the guys I've been matched up with in Copper.

EDIT: Current record is 19-25, probably was around 14-22 when I got dropped from Bronze.

[Dislyxec]

That information is outdated and clearly not true anymore. It even said you only play with people within your league, which is clearly false.

Divisions are randomly assigned, and on average should all be about the same, within a league. I've never heard of anyone changing division within a league.


I would guess that the "only play people within your league" will be true come release. For the beta, in order to decrease wait times, they probably relaxed this so people could find games. Remember the war3 beta where once you got high enough level, you had half an hour+ wait times? (and i wasn't even that good--maybe the people who were even higher level had to wait even longer!)

[Entropia]

Out of the 100 people in a division, there might be only 5 online at a given time. Forcing you to play within that would be a really bad idea. 100 people is a tiny sample size whether it's beta or not. ;P

[Audaylon]

Grats bro. I got bumped down to copper a couple days ago and have been fighting my way to the top. Hope to see you there.Bring it on!
I would guess that the "only play people within your league" will be true come release. For the beta, in order to decrease wait times, they probably relaxed this so people could find games. Remember the war3 beta where once you got high enough level, you had half an hour+ wait times? (and i wasn't even that good--maybe the people who were even higher level had to wait even longer!)Last night I was playing people from the top 8 Copper League when I was bouncing around. Though, all the matches were favored against me. So... 46 points a win and 6 a lose. Wasn't too bad.

[Mooks]

My buddy and I were rank 1 gold, we won a game, then got demoted to silver league. Explain that one... ??

[Audaylon]

My buddy and I were rank 1 gold, we won a game, then got demoted to silver league. Explain that one... ??Maybe, what's your current rating? (I'm around 1350)
Edit: As in, 1300's in all Leagues? Or is gold like...2000 rating?

[Jaerin]

Yeah, as the above poster said, your ranking will change depending on how others do, as well, not just you.

If there are 100 platinum-level players in gold who are just barely figuring out hotkeys, and you're barely gold at best, but you get into a colored-division early you'll be gold for a while, then as the other players get better and your rating does not improve, you'll be dropped into worse and worse color-rank.

Soon you'll be copper, like me ;) Welcome brethren.

[Audaylon]

Soon you'll be copper, like me ;) Welcome brethren.
One of us. One of us.

[Vonhenry]

I'm so excited.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/slmskrpk/SC22010-03-0901-20-03-22.jpg
and i just can't hide it!

What's next?
Who's Next?!
(No really, can someone please tell me what happens next?)
Now laugh at my 29 wins and 48 loses :*(.
Is there going to be a way to browse other Ladder Brackets in the future?

As of last night I am #2 in Copper Division #1. I SO want to be #1 in Division #1!
Truly, I would be "King of the Noobs!"

:)

Edit: 1v1 that is.

[Dreuel]

Maybe, what's your current rating? (I'm around 1350)
Edit: As in, 1300's in all Leagues? Or is gold like...2000 rating?

Point ratings don't work like that. My copper division ranges from about 700 to 2000, and my friend's platinum division ranges from... 700 to 2000. The points don't compare across leagues (or possibly even across divisions within a league.)

[Audaylon]

Point ratings don't work like that. My copper division ranges from about 700 to 2000, and my friend's platinum division ranges from... 700 to 2000. The points don't compare across leagues (or possibly even across divisions within a league.)Good to know. Thanks for posting.
As of last night I am #2 in Copper Division #1Grats! We are the best winning losers! While sleeping and going to work I was bumped to #3, I can only imagine swarms of players constantly bumping each other for spots.

[Vonhenry]

Grats! We are the best winning losers! While sleeping and going to work I was bumped to #3, I can only imagine swarms of players constantly bumping each other for spots.

Silly #1 keeps bumping his points. I have ~1500 in #2 (as of last night) and #1 was at 1550, now at 1600. Luckily he had two losses.

Of course, #3 - #5 are also pushing hard in the mid to late 1400s.

Noobs or not...this is what makes this fun!

:)

[Audaylon]

Silly #1 keeps bumping his points. I have ~1500 in #2 (as of last night) and #1 was at 1550, now at 1600. Luckily he had two losses.

Of course, #3 - #5 are also pushing hard in the mid to late 1400s.

Noobs or not...this is what makes this fun!

:)Ya, but I hate 18+ min games for +4 points...Makes me weep a little inside.

[Wintermute]

Not exactly -- They did say that divisions within a league were finer skill groupings than the entire league, but I think they have a ton of overlap. So, division 1 might be clearly better than division 50 on average, but maybe the middle 80% of each would be within the other's range? That's a guess on my part, based on what I've seen and what they said at Blizzcon 2009.

Once it goes live that might be the case, but right now as a silver league player I play far more games outside of my division than in it. Hell, I play more games against Gold League and Bronze League than I do against Silver.

[Audaylon]

Once it goes live that might be the case, but right now as a silver league player I play far more games outside of my division than in it. Hell, I play more games against Gold League and Bronze League than I do against Silver.I've asked a few players that I play while in the top 8 and most of them say Bronze. So I assume one* plays the leagues touching yours.