My Zerg is Plat, but P n T are not.

[Doubleu]

And i'm sure this is the case for most people. I have played nothing but Zerg since beta release, but now if I ever decide to play Terran or Protoss. I'll get completely destroyed within ten minutes by other platinum players.I was wondering in the future, if automate matching system will looking for a player according to your particular race's skill as well.

If so, should race choice count as entirely new account on the ladder system? Example; you have to play 10 placement games for each race to determine that particular race ranking. Then you would appear in multiple division or same (DoubleU.Beta(Zerg) platinum XX divsion 4 DoubleU.Beta(Terran) Copper XX division 1)

Thoughts?

[Johan]

This is how I feel too. I would love to try out zerg or protoss in ladder but I feel like if I do I'll just get crushed. Custom games don't work because the skill level of custom games is usually random. I very rarely play a skilled opponent when playing custom games (no offense to those guys who play customs).

[Yepachuchu]

I like it, it would encourage learning the other races over the ladder metagame. I've been pushing the top 3 in my league each day I play, so I'm expecting to get bumped up a league or two because copper is way too easy for me with zerg. With P or T though, I'm still a copper player until I get more overall knowledge of them and practice.

If this were implemented, I could take a break from pushing ladder spots with zerg and practice the others in between.

[Fortifius]

Honestly, if you can reach platinum level with one race, you should be able to do the same with every race. It's not like you're playing an entirely different game. Zerg has some different macro mechanics, but terran and protoss are pretty much the same macro wise. I would argue also that Zerg macro is harder than terran and protoss also.


Also, give yourself time. Took me some time to win some games as zerg. Now I'm about a 2-1 ratio as zerg on gold level. I'm working on my terran skills also ;D.

[Kat]

I would really really like this feature. A rank/ladder for each race you play with in 1v1 would be awesome.

I know some people think that this could lead to smurfing. However, if you really think about it, it wouldn't be a huge problem at all. - After you play 10 placement matches as each race you get put in a place in the ladder where you should be with that race. - Sure, you could throw your matches and lose on purpose in order to get into a lower ladder, but it would only take a little while to get pushed up into the next ladder once you start winning.

I don't see this to be ANY different from the fact that you have a separate ladder for 2v2 teams. It wouldn't really allow for smurfing any more than the 2v2 system does.

Honestly, if you can reach platinum level with one race, you should be able to do the same with every race. It's not like you're playing an entirely different game. Zerg has some different macro mechanics, but terran and protoss are pretty much the same macro wise. I would argue also that Zerg macro is harder than terran and protoss also.

I disagree with this. Unless you play only random. Odds are you are going to have one race that you play better than the other two. Sure, fundamentals can tie over from the other races. But I don't know many people that are equally skilled with every race.

You might be a platinum with zerg, but you may only be in gold or silver with terran. I know a lot of players that are platinum in 1 race and not amazing (not horrible either) in the other races.

[Sloth]

I approve this message.

[Wyrd]

Personally I would like to see this. As it is, with around 100 games played, about 70 or so which have been pure terran, I am currently far better as terran than as toss or zerg. At the same time I would like to play the other two competitvely without me or my rank getting utterly crushed due to inexperience. They really should have separate 1v1 rankings for each race and random. The way it pretty much forces you to play one race only, or be ridiculously good in order to have any real success.

[Dragoon]

+1

[Worax]

I'd like this very much as well...

I myself play strictly zerg, but want to try and learn the other races... During beta the ranks really don't/shouldn't matter... But when the game actually comes out, and lets say a player makes it to gold, he can't really switch races because he will get owned for a while, and be bumped down. It doesn't make sense.

It should really be different stats per race played, random should even be considered a race too. :P

[Huma]

I would like this very much as well, terran is clearly my best race. I reached gold in organized 2s and just mess around with random 2s and am silver. I want to play other races more but if I drop it won't be a challenge for when I go back to terran.

[Raz]

I agree. 1 ladder per race would be nice. It would have to be optional though as I am sure some other people would want to go up in the ladder by using multiple races.

[Distract]

Its not so easy to fix thou, the problem is your experience with the game is still way higher then someone of lower ranks and me personally would not want to play vs someone of a higher rank with much more game experience then me even if their skill at the particular race is even to mine.

But i agree with the person above me, maybe add 3 leagues for each race and 3 different sets of the 10 not rated ranking games for each race, which of course you are free to skip if you want.

[Kagim]

My criticism is this.

Sure Platinum players might crush you if you switch races, but if you are dropped back into the lower ladder ranks for other races what you'll see is platinum grade players ruining the copper and bronze players experience.


Like, you feel you suck at Terrain because you always play zerg. So you choose terrain and your stuck in the placing matches. You can reach platinum with one race meaning your obviously really good at the game. During the placing you are thrown against a copper player who then just gets crushingly defeated because the skill you consider crappy is still infinitely better then that copper player.

What i mostly see happening though is a player taking one role seriously while purposely re entering the ladder to screw with the copper players(how hard would it be to start ten matches and forfeit each one). You'll get stuck at the bottom rung at which point you crush the newbies. Essentially griefing.

I just feel that if there going to make the marvelous idea of different tiers people who prove they have platinum level skills should not be allowed to just select a new race and screw around in the copper leagues.

If you wanna try a new race your ranking might have to take a few hits first. For no other reason then to keep the play scales even.

[Nisco]

Honestly, if you can reach platinum level with one race, you should be able to do the same with every race. It's not like you're playing an entirely different game. Zerg has some different macro mechanics, but terran and protoss are pretty much the same macro wise. I would argue also that Zerg macro is harder than terran and protoss also.


Also, give yourself time. Took me some time to win some games as zerg. Now I'm about a 2-1 ratio as zerg on gold level. I'm working on my terran skills also ;D.

hi mr. wrong

The races all play and feel totally different. It takes a good chunk of time to transition between one race to the other.

[Tagospo]

I personally don't like the idea. If you are plat with one race, you should be able to do pretty well with the others. It takes time to learn the nuances of each race, but if you want to compete equally as each race, you should not let it get so one sided to begin with. If your rank suffers a little, so be it, no reason to segregate.

[Andrige]

I would love if you could have separate ladders for each race.

[Audio]

+1 please, do this.



I feel stuck on one race, the others aren't fun to play when you make serious mistakes due to inexperience.

[Equinn]

I always pick random. I lose a lot more than I should, but I still have loads of fun.

[Stratosspear]

Honestly, if you can reach platinum level with one race, you should be able to do the same with every race. It's not like you're playing an entirely different game. Zerg has some different macro mechanics, but terran and protoss are pretty much the same macro wise. I would argue also that Zerg macro is harder than terran and protoss also.


Also, give yourself time. Took me some time to win some games as zerg. Now I'm about a 2-1 ratio as zerg on gold level. I'm working on my terran skills also ;D.

Absolutely NOT. Each race plays completely different with many varying strengths and weaknesses. Finding these will cost you many, many games and probably bump you down a league if you do a cold turkey switch and haven't actually tried seriously playing the other races before.

[Levio]

My criticism is this.

Sure Platinum players might crush you if you switch races, but if you are dropped back into the lower ladder ranks for other races what you'll see is platinum grade players ruining the copper and bronze players experience.


Like, you feel you suck at Terrain because you always play zerg. So you choose terrain and your stuck in the placing matches. You can reach platinum with one race meaning your obviously really good at the game. During the placing you are thrown against a copper player who then just gets crushingly defeated because the skill you consider crappy is still infinitely better then that copper player.

What i mostly see happening though is a player taking one role seriously while purposely re entering the ladder to screw with the copper players(how hard would it be to start ten matches and forfeit each one). You'll get stuck at the bottom rung at which point you crush the newbies. Essentially griefing.

I just feel that if there going to make the marvelous idea of different tiers people who prove they have platinum level skills should not be allowed to just select a new race and screw around in the copper leagues.

If you wanna try a new race your ranking might have to take a few hits first. For no other reason then to keep the play scales even.




This is simply not going to happen. You think that a person playing a different race will be in copper league dominating. Well guess what happens!?!? He's moved to the silver/gold league! Mind boggling!

For each race he will be placed accordingly. Its not that complicated.

EDIT: As for griefing, there will be plenty of that regardless of the ladder...

[Thesatan]

Just play custom against the AI until you get a basic build order your comfortable with and then go from there into the Plat ladder games. Sure you're going to eat a bunch of losses, but hopefully you have fun and learn while doing it. What's the worst that can happen? Some random beta player that beat you thinks you're the worst Plat he's ever played? Who cares.

I'm all for supporting multiple profiles, or rank by race on a single profile, but it's just beta, and you have to work with whats available to you for now.

[Winge]

FFA's could also provide good practice. Better than the AI in the beta, without a doubt. The main difference would probably be build order/aggressiveness.

[Morgals]

I agree with this.

even one for random, right now your penalized for playing other races.

that is less fun imo.

[Doubleu]

Just play custom against the AI until you get a basic build order your comfortable with and then go from there into the Plat ladder games. Sure you're going to eat a bunch of losses, but hopefully you have fun and learn while doing it. What's the worst that can happen? Some random beta player that beat you thinks you're the worst Plat he's ever played? Who cares.

I'm all for supporting multiple profiles, or rank by race on a single profile, but it's just beta, and you have to work with whats available to you for now.

Well currently it is planned for SINGLE profile per user at launch.

[Purewasted]

Well currently it is planned for SINGLE profile per user at launch.

Although they are exploring options for players who WANT TO TRY DIFFERENT RACES.