Helions vs Zerglings

[Mbojangles]

Just checking to see if anyone else thinks that hellions are not that strong against the unit they are supposed to counter? When zerglings have the speed upgrade, and especially when they are on creep, they can so quickly engage and surround the hellions that the hellions die before they get to do serious damage. It gets even worse when I micro my zerglings to hit them from different angles. As zerg, when I see hellions, the only thing going through my mind is "Why would he even bother building those?" Anyone else feel the same?

[Evil]

Hellions? When im Protoss i dont even usually make those.....
I think fast teching to Thors is better.

[Jimhorton]

It has a researchable upgrade for +10 vs light armor types

[Nick]

i think hellions work great vs lings.

[phoenix]

The helion is probably the most underused unit in the game. It should melt your zerglings to crisps. I don't know what is going on other than bad micro (or no micro) from your opponent. Yes there is a +10 to light but they are still effective without it. The helion even work against hydra, which most people don't remember are light (w00t baneling for anti hydra).

[Heng]

Just checking to see if anyone else thinks that hellions are not that strong against the unit they are supposed to counter? When zerglings have the speed upgrade, and especially when they are on creep, they can so quickly engage and surround the hellions that the hellions die before they get to do serious damage. It gets even worse when I micro my zerglings to hit them from different angles. As zerg, when I see hellions, the only thing going through my mind is "Why would he even bother building those?" Anyone else feel the same?
What the OP means is that he totally pwned and out-microed the two hellions that came into his base against his 30 speedlings. He is uber.

[Antpile]

hellion are not a very good against speedlings on their own unless they have the igniter upgrade, then they do fine.

Otherwise, the zerglings are faster than they are and the one volley they off while the zerglings are charging them won't do enough damage. I'm a zerg player, and I counter a hellion harass with speedlings all the time. They are still good to sit behind your marauders and marines though even without the upgrade. They do good damage as long as the zerglings aren't wrapping around them.

[Obi]

Just checking to see if anyone else thinks that hellions are not that strong against the unit they are supposed to counter? When zerglings have the speed upgrade, and especially when they are on creep, they can so quickly engage and surround the hellions that the hellions die before they get to do serious damage. It gets even worse when I micro my zerglings to hit them from different angles. As zerg, when I see hellions, the only thing going through my mind is "Why would he even bother building those?" Anyone else feel the same?


BUFF HELLIONS!!!!!

[Negativezero]

Hellions? When im Protoss i dont even usually make those.....
I think fast teching to Thors is better.


.....wat

[Bam]

Hellions are cheap.

100 minerals, they deal soo much damage to light armored units.

I find that most people that complain about them use them improperly I/E they assume it's the vulture and should withstand everything.

The hellion is about placement. I've seen 6 hellions murder armies of upgrades zealots lings and banelings..

I've also seen 10+ hellions die to zerglings killing very few.

It's all about the user.

Let's not forget that before slayer_boxer existed, everyone, and I mean everyone considered the vulture a useless and terrible unit.

[Sonofsamus]

To make the most of Hellions vs Zerglings you need to kite the zerglings so that they are pursuing you in a line so that when you momentarily pause to attack you can do maximum AoE line damage to them. If you're intent on using Hellions, get the pre-infernal igniter upgrade and consider getting armor upgrades.

[Mbojangles]

To make the most of Hellions vs Zerglings you need to kite the zerglings so that they are pursuing you in a line so that when you momentarily pause to attack you can do maximum AoE line damage to them. If you're intent on using Hellions, get the pre-infernal igniter upgrade and consider getting armor upgrades.

To be clear, I'm a zerg player, and the most annoying thing I find about hellions is that they require my attention. I need to be watching them so that my zerglings don't mindlessly run at them, but I feel like when I'm microing my lings, and hes Microing his hellions, the lings come out on top.

[Kharne]

to be clear the upgrade only gives it +4 dmg since it already has +6 it feels like a waste of gas

other then that yeah i usually build 3-4 just to kill zealots/lings on there own or to harras workers but if there are hydras/stalkers/static defense and depending on positioning-roaches and well i only see them bieng good vs terrans if they are behind your wall or M-M shooting at there M-M i can imagine the medivacs having trouble healing aoe

[Ghazghkull]

to be clear the upgrade only gives it +4 dmg since it already has +6 it feels like a waste of gas

other then that yeah i usually build 3-4 just to kill zealots/lings on there own or to harras workers but if there are hydras/stalkers/static defense and depending on positioning-roaches and well i only see them bieng good vs terrans if they are behind your wall or M-M shooting at there M-M i can imagine the medivacs having trouble healing aoe
No the upgrade is +10 making it a total of +16 against light it is just poorly worded

[Lugiana]

Hellions? When im Protoss i dont even usually make those.....
I think fast teching to Thors is better.

QFT