I got cheesed by a protoss who...

[Gearvosh]

Sent a probe into my base in the beginning, and while I was chasing the probe, he snuck in a 2nd probe while I was distracted. I killed the first probe thinking I stopped him from proxy-ing me. But no, he built a pylon in the corner and warped in a ton of zealots. I bet you he tries that strat EVERY game.

Why is it that people cheese? Like seriously, whats the fun in winning the game within 5 minutes? Your record? Please.

Your playing like a noob. I play sc2 to actually use macro/micro and engage in battles.

INB4 should of scouted your base some more. Yes I will do that next time.

[Frozen]

Sent a probe into my base in the beginning, and while I was chasing the probe, he snuck in a 2nd probe while I was distracted. I killed the first probe thinking I stopped him from proxy-ing me. But no, he built a pylon in the corner and warped in a ton of zealots. I bet you he tries that strat EVERY game.

Why is it that people cheese? Like seriously, whats the fun in winning the game within 5 minutes? Your record? Please.

Your playing like a noob. I play sc2 to actually use macro/micro and engage in battles.

INB4 should of scouted your base some more. Yes I will do that next time.

Sounds like he beat you. Doesn't that make him better at SC2 than you?

Also, probes can take out a proxy easily. It's been a non-issue since day one and they nerfed it twice since then.

[Xnimativ]

Sent a probe into my base in the beginning, and while I was chasing the probe, he snuck in a 2nd probe while I was distracted. I killed the first probe thinking I stopped him from proxy-ing me. But no, he built a pylon in the corner and warped in a ton of zealots. I bet you he tries that strat EVERY game.

Why is it that people cheese? Like seriously, whats the fun in winning the game within 5 minutes? Your record? Please.

Your playing like a noob. I play sc2 to actually use macro/micro and engage in battles.

INB4 should of scouted your base some more. Yes I will do that next time.


News flash: read bold print above, and realize that. also consider that it is only cheese when you are unprepared for it, next time you will be prepared.

[Gearvosh]

Sounds like he beat you. Doesn't that make him better at SC2 than you?

Also, probes can take out a proxy easily. It's been a non-issue since day one and they nerfed it twice since then.

Cheesing != Better.

Its not that taking out proxies is hard...

[Gearvosh]

News flash: read bold print above, and realize that. also consider that it is only cheese when you are unprepared for it, next time you will be prepared.

They should go back to WoW.

:P

[Xnimativ]

Cheesing != Better.

Its not that taking out proxies is hard...


this mindset you have where you consider the tactics that beat you cheesy do not prepare you well for future games, you write it off as cheese instead of a viable tactic, you need to free yourself from these ideals, even if in reality it IS cheesy.

[Gearvosh]

this mindset you have where you consider the tactics that beat you cheesy do not prepare you well for future games, you write it off as cheese instead of a viable tactic, you need to free yourself from these ideals, even if in reality it IS cheesy.

Im not whining that he beat me. Its just that I see a TON of cheesing strats like that with Protoss players. You just said it was cheesy, thats my point, regardless if I lost.

Ive been playing since SC1. I was expecting more sportsmanship than just trying out the cheapest ways to win.

[Blupo]

But you need "a ton" of warp gates to warp in a ton of zealots at a time...

[Mewtew]

I hate cheap tactics like that or Pylon and Cannoning in my base.

Ruins the game.

[Frozen]

So? If you can win, do it. I'll admit, killing somebody off in 5 minutes is a lot better than letting them surpass me in tech cause I have an army and they don't.

If both players have comparable armies, a match will see more tech and larger battles. If one side goes straight for carriers, you're going to be killed by zealots when your first stargate is warping in.

[Gearvosh]

But you need "a ton" of warp gates to warp in a ton of zealots at a time...

Well I didnt know it was there, so he just built up over time, not all at once.

I watched the replay, and he literally was waiting for me to chase the 1st probe before sending another. So fun!

[Gearvosh]

So? If you can win, do it. I'll admit, killing somebody off in 5 minutes is a lot better than letting them surpass me in tech cause I have an army and they don't.

If both players have comparable armies, a match will see more tech and larger battles. If one side goes straight for carriers, you're going to be killed by zealots when your first stargate is warping in.

Yes but I want to PLAY the game. With actual units, and micro and macro. Thats why I dont cheese or mass OP units. I dont care about my perfect win record, I just want to have fun.

[Halogen]

I know this might sound tough to do but if you keep something at the choke they have to come through, you see a dot on the minimap if he sends another in. you talk about playing to micro/macro, you should learn how to pay attention first. Also, the reason people do cheapo junk like that is to find out if something is broken, not to exploit it for the purpose of a rank that means nothing since its beta. oooohhhh yeahhh, beta. untie the knot in your panties and help with game development like the person that killed you or gtfo my beta.

edit: you sound like the guy that complained when i countered his mutas with marines and won the game.

[Darkpsionic]

Nothing you can do about it. It is a viable strategy to win, it is your responsibility to watch your own base and to make sure there's no enemy units occupying within it. Regardless if you call it cheesy, it is a sound strategy to make when one's opponent is easy enough to conquer with a simple tactic. Next time, pay attention to your base and have at least a single unit or worker standing at your ramp(s) so you can ensure that nothing sneaks by you. Don't complain when you know you could have easily prevented it regardless if it's a cheesy strategy.

[Xnimativ]

Yes but I want to PLAY the game. With actual units, and micro and macro. Thats why I dont cheese or mass OP units. I dont care about my perfect win record, I just want to have fun.

play ffa or something, custom games maybe? because ladder = competitive, and people who play competitvely play to win, and find winning to be the most fun, claiming you don't cheese or mass OP units is just admitting that you don't play as effectively as you could, in my experience thus far on the forums, people who come here and complain of cheese and rushes, are actually the ones coming from WoW. fyi: the "so fun" thing he did with his probe that made you look like a fool, was actually pretty fun to him.

[Darkness]

Proxy pylon with 3 Warp Gates + very few workers is pretty much the standard platinum strategy now in PvP. It can't be stopped, and if both players do it, it's a fun game of who can produce the most zealots before eachother's bases are destroyed.

[Xnimativ]

Proxy pylon with 3 Warp Gates + very few workers is pretty much the standard platinum strategy now in PvP. It can't be stopped, and if both players do it, it's a fun game of who can produce the most zealots before eachother's bases are destroyed. it can actually be stopped with 2 gate no core, but then you fall behind in tech

[Darkness]

it can actually be stopped with 2 gate no core, but then you fall behind in tech

Haven't tried that, but if someone does do no core, then yes they are screwing themselves, if the proxy rush fails it would at least mess up the enemy's mineral line to a considerable degree, after which point the attacker can now tech to immortal/colossus and clean things up

[Loki]

I know this might sound tough to do but if you keep something at the choke they have to come through, you see a dot on the minimap if he sends another in. you talk about playing to micro/macro, you should learn how to pay attention first. Also, the reason people do cheapo junk like that is to find out if something is broken, not to exploit it for the purpose of a rank that means nothing since its beta. oooohhhh yeahhh, beta. untie the knot in your panties and help with game development like the person that killed you or gtfo my beta.

edit: you sound like the guy that complained when i countered his mutas with marines and won the game.Sounds to me like your also a play to win kinda person.My experience so far nothing is broken except the fact your base has no defenses whats so ever if being attacked right away.This needs addressing.Pros mods and people with IQ's of 110 or higher no how to exploit and take advangtage of actuall testing just to show the fellow player they are up against they are winners.I have run into some that give me a start but it proves nothing.Anyway im not bashing you i just think there are still issues as i stated.thanks:)

[Halogen]

Sounds to me like your also a play to win kinda person.My experience so far nothing is broken except the fact your base has no defenses whats so ever if being attacked right away.This needs addressing.Pros mods and people with IQ's of 110 or higher no how to exploit and take advangtage of actuall testing just to show the fellow player they are up against they are winners.I have run into some that give me a start but it proves nothing.Anyway im not bashing you i just think there are still issues as i stated.thanks:)

you're right im a play to win kind of person in the bronze league..... no, i try different things and unit combinations.

edit: on that note, I do try to win obviosuly but say, ohh i want to see how a banshee/raven combo works, doesnt mean im not going to build anything else whatsoever, it just means when i reach that tech i'll give it a try, if it doesnt work i'll switch and try to win some other way and then try the banshee/raven thing in another game so i can properly test it.

[Colrath]

Not sure how any of this "ruins" the game. Unless you're being a sore loser. If you lost to a cheese build, don't let it happen again. fin.

[Poposhka]

i actually just got pyloned for the first time tonight. i kinda giggled, because he beat me so soundly.

"live and learn"
"all is fair in love and intergalactic genocide"

[Lagorathia]

"all is fair in love and intergalactic genocide"

oh god this made my night

[Tagospo]

I did not read every message in the thread but as far as I'm concerned its a legitimate strategy. If it is a part of the game and anyone can take advantage of it then it should be fair game. The object of the game is to win so just because you don't like a strategy doesn't mean its in any way unfair.

I remember someone said something (I think it was op) about not being willing to mass overpowered units to win. I would say if you know you have access to units who are strong, and you are not using them, then you are poorly strategizing. We are not the ones who get to do the balancing so like I said before as long as its possible for anyone to do and its part of the game then it is up to your opponent to counter it.

[Entropia]

It's no different than orc tower rushing in early wc3, you'll lose to it once or twice and then you'll improve and you won't get beat by nubby strats. ^,^

[Terra]

Sounds like somebody got WRECKED and is just in denial.

[Amantar]

BGH$$$ NR15 ME CHOBO

[Rilgon]

Why is it that people cheese?Because it's a gamble, and because it's exhilarating. Trying to distract your attention away from where I've planted it, trying to manage my very fledgling economy and hope that I can do fatal levels of damage to yours with my attack, and the ever-present danger of you scouting it early and foiling my entire gambit.

I don't do it in every game - hell, I don't do it in most games. But when I want to put the game's fate in the hands of Lady Luck and get a quick thrill, cheese is how I do it. :P

[Jitterbug]

Wait a second. Gearvosh.armory? From SC2 Armory? Didn't you get hired by Blizzard? A Blizzard employee complaining about cheese tactics?

[Messana]

Aside from all of the morons telling you to "play ffa", etc, unfortunately this is part of the game. Take solace in the fact that if this is all people like this do, it will only keep them in the copper / bronze league. You'll be better prepared to easily deal with it next time, and it usually only has to happen once or twice to anyone who has potential at the game to be able to deal with it as well. Meanwhile, the "cheesers" will be stuck in their lower leagues, never really able to pull this off on anyone good at the game.

[Lendari]

Sounds like he beat you. Doesn't that make him better at SC2 than you?

Maybe, maybe not... well never know unless we actually play a game that lasts long enough to see.

[Coolface]

You're supposed to keep track of what goes in and out of your base that's foreign. That was the lesson for you to learn.

this mindset you have where you consider the tactics that beat you cheesy do not prepare you well for future games, you write it off as cheese instead of a viable tactic, you need to free yourself from these ideals, even if in reality it IS cheesy.

This as well.

[Amantar]

Maybe, maybe not... well never know unless we actually play a game that lasts long enough to see.

How long is that?

[Kinaesthesia]

Sent a probe into my base in the beginning, and while I was chasing the probe, he snuck in a 2nd probe while I was distracted. I killed the first probe thinking I stopped him from proxy-ing me. But no, he built a pylon in the corner and warped in a ton of zealots. I bet you he tries that strat EVERY game.

Why is it that people cheese? Like seriously, whats the fun in winning the game within 5 minutes? Your record? Please.

Your playing like a noob. I play sc2 to actually use macro/micro and engage in battles.

INB4 should of scouted your base some more. Yes I will do that next time.

You were outclassed.

Face it, stop crying. Proxy gating, especially after the nerf, requires timing to execute, and it's all worth the effort when you see some poor guy crying about his 5 minute loss. Most games end in five minutes anyway; if it goes to mid-game, things get exponentially more dangerous for the rusher. I'm not saying this should be the gameplay of SC2, but it is. Get used to it.

[Fors]

I was expecting more sportsmanship than just trying out the cheapest ways to win.

Professional sports players from across all games would consider it an insult if an opposing player didn't try to do absolutely everything in their power to win a game.

You should consider yourself honored that someone thought you were worthy of being "cheesed" to take you down.

[Trinith]

Sounds like a pretty slick trick to me ...

... and sadly, I woulda been owned by that tactic too :D

[Joneleth]

Your playing like a noob.
^ First sign of a sore-loser's QQ.

QQ less.
He outsmarted you.
You were stupid compared to him.
He was a strategic and tactical genius compared to you.
He sensed the presence of a primitive mind and played upon it.
He won.
Winning is winning.
Play to win.

Also, QQ less.

[Spinel]

Sent a probe into my base in the beginning, and while I was chasing the probe, he snuck in a 2nd probe while I was distracted. I killed the first probe thinking I stopped him from proxy-ing me. But no, he built a pylon in the corner and warped in a ton of zealots. I bet you he tries that strat EVERY game.

Why is it that people cheese? Like seriously, whats the fun in winning the game within 5 minutes? Your record? Please.

Your playing like a noob. I play sc2 to actually use macro/micro and engage in battles.

INB4 should of scouted your base some more. Yes I will do that next time.

your In b4 says it all. You see cheese on pro-gaming. This in-base proxy affects only the people who are lazy enough to not build stuff around the base...Like someone said it hasn't been a problem since day 1. It's something even pros have to learn to deal with. It should be obvious for you that if some are hacking to get wins, that others would resort to try to get easy wins...Obviously people care about their record that much.

[Anatsir]

This is just meaningless whining. If he proxy pyloned inside your base and you didn't notice that is your own damn fault.

I hate it when people say "cheesed" when they really mean "outplayed."

[Novak]

I'll be honest. I did this to someone last night, I believe the map was Lost Temple, he had the top base, and I dropped a pylon in at the far right tip.

As I was warping in my masses of zealots and sentries to the poor unsuspecting Terran's base (He actually had a sensor tower up, and my pylon was about 10 yards out of its range), I felt like *!!!.

It's a video game, and I still felt like a horrible person.

I don't know how people can consistently do it.

[Terra]

I'll be honest. I did this to someone last night, I believe the map was Lost Temple, he had the top base, and I dropped a pylon in at the far right tip.

As I was warping in my masses of zealots and sentries to the poor unsuspecting Terran's base (He actually had a sensor tower up, and my pylon was about 10 yards out of its range), I felt like *!!!.

It's a video game, and I still felt like a horrible person.

I don't know how people can consistently do it.

No morals.

Blood for the blood god.

They'd do it to you if they had the chance.

[Stratosspear]

Sent a probe into my base in the beginning, and while I was chasing the probe, he snuck in a 2nd probe while I was distracted. I killed the first probe thinking I stopped him from proxy-ing me. But no, he built a pylon in the corner and warped in a ton of zealots. I bet you he tries that strat EVERY game.

Why is it that people cheese? Like seriously, whats the fun in winning the game within 5 minutes? Your record? Please.

Your playing like a noob. I play sc2 to actually use macro/micro and engage in battles.

INB4 should of scouted your base some more. Yes I will do that next time.

You need to accept that rushing strategies are a perfectly legitimate part of strategy. Practice a little more and you'll learn how to counter it pretty easily.

[Bestmarine]

ur all going to hell for doing such mean tactics.

[Namhcir]

Sent a probe into my base in the beginning, and while I was chasing the probe, he snuck in a 2nd probe while I was distracted. I killed the first probe thinking I stopped him from proxy-ing me. But no, he built a pylon in the corner and warped in a ton of zealots. I bet you he tries that strat EVERY game.

Why is it that people cheese? Like seriously, whats the fun in winning the game within 5 minutes? Your record? Please.

Your playing like a noob. I play sc2 to actually use macro/micro and engage in battles.

INB4 should of scouted your base some more. Yes I will do that next time.

Would you like some MORE cheese with that whine?

[Gearvosh]

I like how everyone says im a sore loser. I admitted defeat and even congratulated him on out smarting me, want to see the replay?

I was just pointing out another cheese tactice that I ran into -.-

[Tanus]

I find i quite enjoy the 5 minute wins when someone tries to proxy their gateways. Wipe out their pylons before they get any force out, and most leave right then and there 'cause they know they've lost.

[Reaper]

All strategies are legitimate ways to win the game. An early all-in "cheese" tactic or a late game macro spam, both are legit, and both have counters.

Some of the best games from SC1 pro-league were hilarious cheese like that one game with proxy dual gate behind the guy's minerals using a manner pylon to power it. Cheese makes for good games like macro and micro do, they're just SHORTER games.

[Skybound]

True, any way you win in Starcraft is a legit tactic. I'm not all for winning, but I do admit that it's no fun when the game ends right away. Even when I'm the one with the upper hand in the beginning of the match I'd much rather draw the game out and have a more epic battle, instead of rushing their miners or something.

I LAN in SC1 with friends a lot, and I have a friend who does nothing but climb the tech tree all the way to shuttles and Reavers, every game. It kinda ruins the fun of playing with friends. Doesn't mean it's not legit, but it's definitely not as fun.

[Zazen]

Hate the player, not the game.

In this case, just hate on the current state of PvP. Hopefully it'll be fixed, but right now, it's the most idiot matchup ever with no entertaining value - every single PvP in gold/plat right now is a proxy 3 warpgate rush that is really abusive and has pretty much no counter...

[Acosnil]

scanning the immediacy of your own base is like playing 101.