16:9 monitor users have an unfair advantage

[Immortal]

I think this image speaks for itself (no it's not a virus):

http://img7.abload.de/img/sc2_fov36k6.gif

[Bibdy]

I think this image speaks for itself (no it's not a virus):

http://img7.abload.de/img/sc2_fov36k6.gif

Welcome to video games? What do you expect them to put giant black lines of the side of the screen for wide-screen users?

[Deviant]

The mini-map and peripheral vision are like gold.

[Ilix]

The nice thing about games like this (as apposed to other game types) is that unless they have vision over that area, it doesn't matter. Being able to see more FoW doesn't help a whole lot.

[Tekwar]

Welcome to video games? What do you expect them to put giant black lines of the side of the screen for wide-screen users?

Yes, yes I do...really though, ya, this is an old problem for many games, get use to it.

[Neb]

nice gif.. it's good to know. For some competitive players, having that extra inch is pretty important.

[Ignorance]

They really should be slightly more zoomed in...

[zerg]

My monitor has a native resolution that is 16:10, but I can play at 16:9 just fine.

[Dalcyon]

I think this image speaks for itself (no it's not a virus):

http://img7.abload.de/img/sc2_fov36k6.gif

If you're really concerned about fair gameplay, get a widescreen monitor its real cheap these days.

[Bibdy]

nice gif.. it's good to know. For some competitive players, having that extra inch is pretty important.

That's what she said?

[Dalcyon]

Yes, yes I do...really though, ya, this is an old problem for many games, get use to it.

Or put black lines on top and bottom of a 4:3 screen.

[Bibdy]

They really should be slightly more zoomed in...

So, instead of gaining on the width, you keep a similar width but LOSE view in the vertical by having a better monitor? That's just lunacy. If you're serious about gaming, GET A DECENT RIG and stop complaining.

[Stacmasters]

This actually bothers me quite a bit... my first post yesterday was in the thread about how we should be able to zoom out more and the argument is that it "has to be the same view for all players", but then you've got this widescreen thing going on and I feel like I'm getting shortchanged.

Also I already have a monitor, it's a $2500 Wacom Cintiq which is a 21" 1600x1200 monitor I use for my art and design work. I am not buying a new monitor to get an edge in SC2. :P

[Gishin]

If you're serious enough about sc2 to whine about that then you should be serious enough to get a widescreen monitor.

[Jim]

I think this image speaks for itself (no it's not a virus):

http://img7.abload.de/img/sc2_fov36k6.gif

Sorry, but you are about 5 years behind the times. If you are that concerned about the potential advantage, set your game to a widescreen resolution and play with black bars on the top/bottom.

Your request is along the lines of locking the frame rate to 10 fps because some people play with a built-in graphics card.

[Alex]

The specs of a computer always give advantages. If your computer is laggy/jerky, you have a disadvantage. If your computer is insanely powerful, you get a cleaner view. If your mouse and keyboard are more responsive, you have an advantage.

The screen is not really any different. Anyone who cares enough and is serious enough that the screen size matters can buy a better screen. Compared to the cost of a full computer, it's not that much.

[Dalang]

The specs of a computer always give advantages. If your computer is laggy/jerky, you have a disadvantage. If your computer is insanely powerful, you get a cleaner view. If your mouse and keyboard are more responsive, you have an advantage.

The screen is not really any different. Anyone who cares enough and is serious enough that the screen size matters can buy a better screen. Compared to the cost of a full computer, it's not that much.
QFT

[Eyelessone]

That's what she said?

Damn it... I was thinking the same thing...

Oh, by the way, 24" of pure sexiness...

By that I mean my monitor...

[Heero]

if you have a 16:10 monitor and want an extra tiny bit, set the game to 16:9.

If you have a 4:3 monitor, then you need to upgrade, cause your monitor sucks.

[Professorfoo]

You can get 16:9 monitors for around $100 these days (see http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009216). If you have a 16:10 you can set the game to 16:9 anyways. Either way I don't think it's a huge deal and if it is to you go mow some lawns :)

Also the increase in viewing area is probably my favorite improvement in Starcraft 2. Hell I'd probably go back and play the original some more if it wasn't zoomed in so much.

[Zaq]

Advantage? Yes.

Unfair? No.

[Shakenbake]

I have an 8 year old computer and the game runs very poorly on it. Totally unfair, I think Blizzard should force the game to run choppy on everyone's PC to even things.

[Soupbrah]

Hell I'd probably go back and play the original some more if it wasn't zoomed in so much.

You can run it windowed, but getting it to be fullscreen on a modern display without stretching it to hell would pretty much mean you see the whole map at the same time.

[BeL]

People with electricity have an advantage, too.

[Welp]

people with two hands have an advantage

please remove hotkeys blizzard i can only use a mouse tt

[Ricespec]

In Brazil soccer players practice with tennis balls instead of soccer balls to improve their coordination and dexterity. zomg unfair DIS-advantaged learning lol. Not saying playing on a smaller screen/crappy computer makes u a better player but make up for what you lack in an inch of resolution with skill. If/when you play competitively you will be that much better on 16:9.

[Tehschoolbus]

Time and time over.. size doesn't matter. Ask any woman... besides your mom ^_~

But if size does matter.. I've got a 37" 1080p screen. Suck on that xD

[Andrew]

That image is not representative of the true amount of screen real estate you have for monitors. A 16:10 monitor will have a ~30% bigger image than a 16:9 monitor. The gif fails to incorporate the significantly larger vertical viewing distance of a 16:10 monitor.

[Stacmasters]

All I'm saying is if we're playing at a different aspect ratio let us zoom back farther. If Blizzard is really trying to keep the game "fair" for everyone we should all get the same amount of screen real estate. If your monitor is so small you can't see your units well then zoom in, but at least give us 3:4's a fighting chance. :P

[Arkimpulse]

Last time I checked, competitive players play in a LAN setting and on the same hardware provided by the tournament hosts...


And seriously...who still sells 4:3 CRTS ? Maybe some some 4:3 LCD's lingering...but guys...
this is 2010...a 22" 16:9 LCD is under 200$ Canadian here...go to mcdonalds...work 3 shifts...jesus...

[Jalaman]

This actually bothers me quite a bit... my first post yesterday was in the thread about how we should be able to zoom out more and the argument is that it "has to be the same view for all players", but then you've got this widescreen thing going on and I feel like I'm getting shortchanged.

Also I already have a monitor, it's a $2500 Wacom Cintiq which is a 21" 1600x1200 monitor I use for my art and design work. I am not buying a new monitor to get an edge in SC2. :P


....
>$2500
>1600x1200
>art and design work
>4:3
what am i reading.exe

[Vacant]

solution: it's 2010 -- buy a wide screen monitor. you can get a VERY good 23" 1920x1080 monitor for under $200. no excuses.

[Tornare]

Widescreen may have a advantage but the game sure doesnt support 720p in its current state. Only 1080. I actually ran out and bought a new screen because of it.

[Thedoctor]

whoa whoa whoa, there are gamers on this planet who still don't have widescreen monitors? shame on you! I love my LG 24" one btw, everything looks awsome in HD.

[Alaric]

Great. Just great.

I suggest we also cut off the legs of tall people, and splash acid in the face of good-looking ones. Oh and should someone be found to be intelligent, we can hit them with a brick until they are on the same level as everyone else. As someone who is tall, handsome and intelligent I'm really looking forward to all of this.

Seriously thought, this complaint is ridiculous. Why should people with better equipment be forced into a handicap? We are already forced to play at the same zoom level, which is in itself wrong. I play at 2560x1600 on a 30" monitor. There is no reason why I shouldn't be able to see more (especially in single player mode) and now someone wants to cripple me even further?

Instead, how about you leave your 4:3 monitor in the 1990s where it belongs?

[Dasweb]

As with most issues pertaining to resolution, there will be a work around soon enough.

[Cogwheel]

What about normalizing them all so they show the same amount of area of the map? That way a 16:10 is at a slight vertical advantage over 16:9 and a slight horizontal advantage over 4:3.

[Bibdy]

What about normalizing them all so they show the same amount of area of the map? That way a 16:10 is at a slight vertical advantage over 16:9 and a slight horizontal advantage over 4:3.

What about, we just leave it as it is, and we just assume that people who are serious enough about gaming to complain about having a reduced view, should be serious enough to get themselves a decent gaming rig?

Is SC2 Beta your first gaming experience or something? Can you name me a strategy game or first-person-shooter that doesn't offer increased field of view for better monitors?

[Immortal]

I was mostly joking in my OP (which is why I posted in the General forum and not the feedback forum), I guess I shouldn't be surprised by how many of you took it so seriously.

While this is a highly competitive game, and having a slightly wider view does give you the smallest edge against someone who does not have that view, anyone can change their monitor resolution and see just as much as anyone else, regardless of what type of monitor they have. This makes it honestly a moot point.

[engineer]

I think APM should be capped at 40. Anybody with more than 40 APM gets an unfair advantage.

[Miya]

This actually bothers me quite a bit... my first post yesterday was in the thread about how we should be able to zoom out more and the argument is that it "has to be the same view for all players", but then you've got this widescreen thing going on and I feel like I'm getting shortchanged.

Also I already have a monitor, it's a $2500 Wacom Cintiq which is a 21" 1600x1200 monitor I use for my art and design work. I am not buying a new monitor to get an edge in SC2. :P

I am going to guess that's the one that has 220 nits and 550:1 CR? Eew. Me wonders what kind of RT that thing has... D:

Christ, I have a Dreamcolor lp2480zx that I use for my photography that I also refuse to play on because the RT (and ghosting) on a IPS panel is painful. Thankfully I have a another monitor (TN panel) that does 16:9 beautifully.

Anyway, I assume if you can afford a $2500 art tablet/display, you can plop down for a $250 21.5"-23" monitor and not feel "shortchanged".

PS: I quite enjoyed slapping my e-peen on your face. :3

[Kreychek]

Wider is not intrinsically better. Inch-for-inch, standard aspect displays actually have more viewing area than wide aspect displays. That is, for example, a 24" 16:9 aspect display has the same amount of viewing area as 22.6" 4:3 display.

[Aryxymaraki]

You know, if your computer is so bad you're getting 2 FPS, you'll have a real issue playing competitively too.....

[Gvaz]

Yeah, its pretty dumb. They have height as a constant, but 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 have different heights!

so 16:10 gets shafted and 16:9 is better. Can't you just increase the height for the applicable resolutions?

[Lazz]

Anybody have a clue why I can't force a 16:9 resolution with black bars on top and bottom with my 1680 x 1050 (16:10) resolution screen?

[Aphrodite]

That picture looks like it assumes the same verticle inches. Its been a while since i've seen a 15' 4:3 monitor, you get the extra inches, Just not on the sides. you just get a wider view overall.

[Alyssta]

I think this image speaks for itself (no it's not a virus):

http://img7.abload.de/img/sc2_fov36k6.gif

I figured most gamers had widescreens by now.

[Genji]

This actually bothers me quite a bit... my first post yesterday was in the thread about how we should be able to zoom out more and the argument is that it "has to be the same view for all players", but then you've got this widescreen thing going on and I feel like I'm getting shortchanged.

Also I already have a monitor, it's a $2500 Wacom Cintiq which is a 21" 1600x1200 monitor I use for my art and design work. I am not buying a new monitor to get an edge in SC2. :P

$2500 for a monitor? You got scammed bro.

I think having dual display(+lots of other things you could've bought with that money) is better for design etc. than having 1 $2500 screen.

[Winobot]

Also I already have a monitor, it's a $2500 Wacom Cintiq which is a 21" 1600x1200 monitor I use for my art and design work. I am not buying a new monitor to get an edge in SC2. :P

If you have $2500 to spend on a 21" 4:3 monitor (I know, business expense, but still), then you have $200 to but a 23" 16:9 monitor.

[Lynart]

If you have $2500 to spend on a 21" 4:3 monitor (I know, business expense, but still), then you have $200 to but a 23" 16:9 monitor.

Yeah I really wanted to flame this guy but it looks like you've all done it lol

(Also, that resolution he spoke of is pitiful).

[Fors]

There should be giant black lines at the top of non 16:9 users to make it fair for them.

[Messana]

I think this image speaks for itself (no it's not a virus):

http://img7.abload.de/img/sc2_fov36k6.gif

BUY A 16:9 MONITOR.

[Munashiimaru]

16:9 is pretty much the standard monitor size nowadays. The default look for the game should be based on those.

[Psiven]

Ridiculous.

Let everyone zoom out and nobody can complain.